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you're in the podcast the gold standard

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of paranormal radio here's gene

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Steinberg the co-host this week is

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Christopher O'Brien we'll talk about our

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guests very shortly but right now let's

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kind of bring things up to date on

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current events and there is an editorial

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that you wrote for the parent caste

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newsletter which we'll go into in a

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moment but I read a story what was it a

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week or two ago claiming that the UN had

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appointed someone to become the

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ambassador to ET and everybody's saying

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ha ha ha ho ho ho the UN does a lot of

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wacky things and now we're hearing what

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this is not true what Steven Greer isn't

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our ambassador to the universe what's up

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with that well I guess he wishes he were

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but that's $800 a pop if you want his

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services right oh yeah well that's for

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you to become one of humankind's

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ambassadors to the universe oh I see so

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he basically he's the gatekeeper I'm not

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sure if he's gay but yeah he definitely

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is gay keeper gate keeper Oh gate keeper

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oh I'm sorry Jean I'm not sure if he's

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the gatekeeper but he's sure creating

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lots of little ambassador's to the

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universe out there all raring to climb

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on board and represent our species

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interest out there and the big bad

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beyond I mean get good beyond sorry the

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thing I wonder about of course is this

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even if you say you were the ambassador

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and et comes a-calling et doesn't have

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to accept your credentials they could

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say no we don't want you you know take

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us to Obama take us to Castro take us to

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the head of China you know take us to

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somebody in the desert and give them

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some pancakes here you go Joe

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do you remember Joe Symington of course

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right the et gives them pancakes and the

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reason he did that by the way the reason

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he staged that I suspect it's because

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his wife said you're a horrible cook you

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can't even make pancake

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and so you know this stuff is from outer

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space oh it's strictly from hunger well

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you're gonna remain hungry if you try to

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keep toast pancakes I'll tell you that

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much hey sprinkled with a little

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magnesium is that what does it hero zinc

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maybe some aluminum silicate on top just

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for kind of a flavor okay well let me

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just write this down ladies and

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gentlemen if you really want to you hate

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somebody with a lot of passion write

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this down very carefully and I'm not

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responsible and certainly we're going to

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you know have a legal disclaimer here at

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the end of the show we are not

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responsible for the consequences if you

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attempt to make pancakes from this bad

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humor do not attempt this at home no

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this is kind of like this silly joke

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that the late Soupy Sales once told on

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TV where he says hey kiddies

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you go into that big bag that your mommy

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keeps and inside there's a little thing

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called a change purse or a wallet open

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it up take out all the money and send it

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to me send it to Uncle soupy yes and

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uncle soupy got suspended from TV I

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think for that one yep let's talk about

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any case you had a guest editorial this

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past week the people being are UFO's now

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being taken seriously do you think they

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are well I think it's three steps

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forward two steps back what are the two

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steps back before we get to the three

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steps forward well it's just the whole

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subject makes I think the media in

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general each anchor reporter and local

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news person I think that there's still a

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bit of a kind of nervous giggle and

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twitch in their demeanor but I think

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it's changing especially in the

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mainstream media now in the

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international media I think is really

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starting to step up and look at this and

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give it a little bit of gravitas

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I did see a MSNBC I think had a English

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UFO expert on and they showed what what

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is clearly an insect large beetle flying

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zip and right across in front of the

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camera of course it's being misconstrued

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as a UFO and I think there's there's a

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downside to taking these things

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seriously as well if you're looking at

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something that's obviously an artifact

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and you take it seriously and present it

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as the real thing

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along with the word extraterrestrial

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then I think you're doing as much harm

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as you are if you if you belittle as

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subject the problem you get fair of

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course if people look at it and say no

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that's fake therefore all UFOs are fake

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it can't be t-this is absurd exactly I

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mean it's a damned if you do damned if

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you don't scenario unfortunately but

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we're getting we're getting we're making

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progress and getting through it well one

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of the things I think that actually

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helped was Leslie Cain's book on UFOs

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because she had all these former

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military officials coming in they're

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contributing chapters talking about

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their sightings and I saw her on TV and

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she made a pretty solid presentation

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except for the way she was handled at

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Fox News

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now finest news can do weird stuff and

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the way the set is situated it wasn't

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just her with a backdrop she was

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standing but then it looked like the

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host and the co-hosts were on a platform

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looking down at her now maybe it's

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because she's short and they are taller

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people I don't know I don't know what

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Leslie Cain's height is but she looked

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totally overwhelmed by these people and

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she's doing a great performance and the

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questions are pretty reasonable except

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they were kind of snarky as they close

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off the session but you know it looks

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like she's looking up at these serious

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newscasters and I thought me the vibe it

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created was really bad you know mm well

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we're gonna have to maybe have our

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listeners fire off an email or two to

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Fox News as if that's going to help

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every little bit helps you know in any

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case here before we discuss what this

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week's episode is about where do you

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think this is going is there enough

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serious research now enough cooperation

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that maybe we can get some headway after

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all these years you

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I really I really think there is gene I

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think we're we're starting to find out I

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think collectively that our

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preconceptions are front-loading if you

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will about what we're dealing with here

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in terms of the UFO phenomenon and the

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paranormal in general I think what we're

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seeing is that just isn't washing

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anymore people are realizing that hey

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we've been saying the same thing about

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this mystery for so long and yet we're

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not really seeming to make any headway

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so it's it's the the race Stanford's the

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Ted Phillips the douglas trumbull and

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his new multi-million dollar Hummer that

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he's outfitted as a mobile UFO research

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realm of hard science that are really

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gonna reinvigorate and re excite people

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into the to the actual hard science

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aspect of this whole phenomenon and I

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think that's where we're gonna be headed

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and in its I think we're actually headed

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in the right direction if that's the

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case there won't be TV shows like the

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event well no I don't think so

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unfortunately it's I think the TV shows

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have been doing more harm than good sure

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people are more open to the subject but

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they're being programmed with I think

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sort of knee-jerk interpretations of

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what we're what we're dealing with which

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may not be accurate which probably are

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not accurate well you know it's still

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the same problem which is UFOs equal et

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and we've been saying on the power cast

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for four-and-a-half close to five years

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now that okay maybe it is et but we

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can't dismiss lots of other

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possibilities neighbors I just want to

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let you know that our guest last week

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Anthony Sanchez has behaved in a very

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strange way since that episode we got a

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letter from him where he said some sort

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of devastating event forced him to leave

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the UFO field he temporarily closed his

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site and canceled publication of his

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book UFO highway the very next day he

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decided to change his mind the book will

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be available first as an e-book he's

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back in the field folks you figure it

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out today's discussion has nothing

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whatsoever to do with UFOs well we have

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an investigative associate of mine who

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I've actually done

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a bit of work with out in the field in

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some of the more haunted sites in the

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Midwest Michael Esposito is an amazing

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guy he's a groundbreaking electronic

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voice phenomenon expert he's been

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examining this whole emerging proto

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scientific field of electronic voice

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phenomenon from a from a very new and

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different way he's very creative with

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his knowledge and techniques and

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approaches to capturing what appear to

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be disembodied voices on electronic

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media obviously in an audio recording we

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are going to present some of those

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recordings on this episode of the power

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next our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

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gene Steinberg you're in the I think I

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would have done better with Nicholas

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to talk about EVP which is not a drug

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that you take you know one of the ones

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you see on TV where if you take EVP

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what's gonna happen is if you basically

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don't follow the requirements you're

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going to suffer from 26,000 different

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side effects

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what is EVP Michael well I always

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recommend if people start doing EVP and

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they start seeing green to discontinue

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usage immediately the EVP or electronic

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voice phenomena is a phenomena that has

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been noticed ever since we've had the

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ability to record human voice it's

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recording voices of unknown origin or

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sounds of unknown origin some people

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claim that these sounds are from

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extraterrestrial in nature and some

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people feel that these sounds are from

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voices from the dead either something in

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a residual mode there was something

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spoken a long time ago it somehow

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captured in the atmosphere or in porous

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objects and regenerated somehow or

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actual interactive voices with

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disembodied individuals now how is this

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discovered actually the first occurrence

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I have found of it being discovered was

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a individual Vladimir kosis who was part

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of a joint us and Russian expedition to

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the northern regions of Alaska and

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Siberia is sort of a ethnographic

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expedition to record shaman and other

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indigenous peoples of siberia including

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the Chukchi and other tribes

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and their folk song and things like that

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bottom-4 ghostess was recording a Chuck

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she shaman in his tent alone who was

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doing a particular incantation for

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communicating with the dead and on his

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Edison wax cylinder recorder in 1901

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captured voices in Russian and in

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English from individuals that weren't

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there or anyone near there at the time

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did you actually hear the voices that

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were being recorded or did you listen

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later and hear things that didn't

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manifest themselves physically well Lada

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may have claimed when he came out with

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it a few years later that he didn't hear

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any of the voices of the time but um

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playback of the wax cylinders he was

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able to hear him the actual cylinders

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themselves are kept in Indiana

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University in Bloomington Indiana in

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their cultural and ethnic music

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department they have a great antique

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collection but digital audio tapes of

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these recordings are also kept at the

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Museum of Natural Science and in

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Washington I was able to get copies of

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these after about two years of trying

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they're really closely held and I did

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find the recordings tonight did play

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them and I was able to hear the voices

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that that Vladimir King claimed to have

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caught since then there's been many many

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instances during the 30s the late 30s

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especially and 40s 50s with a well-known

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figure friedrich jürgenson

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who was an opera singer a people artist

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and an archaeologist who worked really

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closely with the vatican was recording

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for birdsong in his back yard and and

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captured voices and and captured voices

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of his mother calling him young Friedel

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which was the she was the only person

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that

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television shows and pretty famous and

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Sweden and throughout Europe and

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electronic voice phenomena started to

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become known more popularity Constantine

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Road I've found out about his work and

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what Matt Jurgen Simon started his own

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research from there in America sarah

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east up they had heard of Constantine

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Road I've and Raymond Caston England had

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also heard about Constantine Road I've

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and communicated with them in and the

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whole thing just started to blossom from

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there before that in in the 30s Vaughn

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Schley see Victor Von Schley see

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attempted some and was able to capture

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some voice phenomena there was an

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incident where they captured some voices

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that they thought were German radio

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transmissions before World War two and

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after the war it was the you know when

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once they cross reference the records of

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military communication what have you

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found that the the communications were

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not theirs and prior to 1901 even I'd

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like to point out it's I think it's

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fairly relevant that there were what I

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would deem not so much instrumental

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transcommunication ITC but actually EVP

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where a ship just off the site where the

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Titanic went down a few years after the

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Titanic went down actually was able to

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capture Morse code SOS transmissions

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from the Titanic and walked them so so

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there was even predating recorded sound

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there there was instances of the Morse

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code and other types of signaling

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phantoms signaling if you will or

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captured

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okay the sounds that were being recorded

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and we'll hear a few samples in a few

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moments

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the sounds that were being recorded is

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it like an audible Ross French test

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where you could basically think you hear

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something and maybe fill in the blanks

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or are the voices or sounds distinct

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enough to know what's going on one of my

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favorite skeptics I consider myself

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scientists so I I really really like

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skeptical inquiry and and people who

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have skeptical viewpoints because it

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really keeps my work on my toes and and

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keeps me going in new avenues of

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approach now as far as para or audio

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Rorschach goes I worked quite a long

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time with trying to recreate audio

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Rorschach and also working with speech

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pathologists and based on the speech

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pathology work or the the linguistic

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approach to it there are many sounds

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that are created that could only be

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created by the human voice that animals

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and and ambient other types of ambient

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noises can't recreate of course like the

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glottal stop for instance is one of them

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and I did a quite a bit of research and

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quite a bit of work on on the order of

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Rorschach and also try to recreate the

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audio Rorschach and and quite frankly

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rustling leaves sound like rustling

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leaves and even within the rustling

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leaves I would capture these voices that

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that laid on top of the the ambient

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noise or the environmental noises that

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would have explained alter your

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Rorschach I'll tell you what and two

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more of that in a moment Michael okay

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off Michael Esposito and Michael is

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going to be here to talk for the rest of

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the show about EVP and what's all about

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how the sounds are captured what they

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might mean I'm gene Steinberg you're in

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614
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Michael Esposito is our guest we're

615
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looking into the electronic voice

616
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phenomenon EVP trying to figure out what

617
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it's all about does it mean that we're

618
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actually hearing something from beyond

619
00:28:01,539 --> 00:27:59,630
something from out there who knows now

620
00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:01,549
Michael is this something that you can

621
00:28:05,710 --> 00:28:03,740
just capture anywhere just by sticking a

622
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mic into a place where there is silence

623
00:28:11,770 --> 00:28:08,750
otherwise yeah actually I've recorded

624
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with countless different types of tools

625
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and countless recording devices

626
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:18,470
everything from baby monitors to wire

627
00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:21,130
mic germanium crystal wire microphones

628
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:24,470
literally you name it and different

629
00:28:28,030 --> 00:28:26,450
types of methods holding the recorder

630
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:28,040
setting the recorder down walking with a

631
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:30,650
recorder what have you

632
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:33,440
I found holding the recorders seems to

633
00:28:38,890 --> 00:28:36,290
take the person's soul extra magnetic

634
00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:38,900
energy that we all have and actually the

635
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access of the amplifier to the recording

636
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:43,910
I think one of the the main points to

637
00:28:49,020 --> 00:28:46,610
bring out about recordings and and

638
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,030
something one of the I do a lot of

639
00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:51,679
research and develop a lot of theories

640
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:54,440
on on the work and Colin postulates

641
00:28:59,530 --> 00:28:57,020
because obviously there are improved but

642
00:29:01,710 --> 00:28:59,540
one of the postulates I've been working

643
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:01,720
on recently asked a lot to do with

644
00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:04,850
Microsoft theory and the actually the

645
00:29:09,789 --> 00:29:06,980
real origins of the folk quarter I'm

646
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:09,799
compression of sounds I think one of the

647
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:11,530
the reasons we're able to capture

648
00:29:16,539 --> 00:29:14,030
electronic voice phenomena is that

649
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:16,549
electronic voice phenomena is broken

650
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:19,730
into nanoseconds of what we call Micro

651
00:29:23,490 --> 00:29:20,390
sound

652
00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:23,500
little just fragments of duration and

653
00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:28,400
unlike the classical idea of frequency

654
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:30,830
duration where the shorter the duration

655
00:29:35,289 --> 00:29:33,200
the higher the frequency I think more in

656
00:29:37,419 --> 00:29:35,299
the quantum physics end of it in my

657
00:29:41,230 --> 00:29:37,429
croissant theory where they draw a

658
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:41,240
distinct relationship between duration

659
00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:43,970
and frequency showing that frequency is

660
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:45,590
independent of duration and you can

661
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:47,570
actually have very short durations of

662
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:49,490
sound that are in lower registers lower

663
00:29:53,650 --> 00:29:51,170
frequencies are eardrums aren't able to

664
00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:53,660
pick them up I think we maybe define

665
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:55,220
this a bit better night everybody shot

666
00:30:00,250 --> 00:29:58,010
there is an audio engineer has done

667
00:30:04,150 --> 00:30:00,260
commercial post-production etc etcetera

668
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:04,160
so let's kind of take it from ABCD what

669
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,750
does all this mean basically and again

670
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:11,120
let me just stipulate this is just a

671
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:15,770
theory that I'm working on we create

672
00:30:21,419 --> 00:30:18,830
sound through our diaphragm pushing air

673
00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:21,429
up or creating pressure through our

674
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:25,190
vocal cords and forming a sort of audio

675
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:28,010
compression of that sound through our

676
00:30:34,539 --> 00:30:31,490
larynx and using our mouth and teeth

677
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:34,549
tongue palate what-have-you and creating

678
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,610
a compression of that sound that is able

679
00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:39,760
to be picked up by eardrums and

680
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:41,870
diaphragms and microphones and stuff

681
00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:44,870
once we die they had energy that very

682
00:30:53,169 --> 00:30:49,940
same energy that creates speech retains

683
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,179
the persistence of memory to create

684
00:30:58,180 --> 00:30:55,520
speech although we don't have the

685
00:31:01,659 --> 00:30:58,190
faculties to do it anymore so basically

686
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:01,669
what we do is we use the ambient energy

687
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,480
of the atmospheric molecules and create

688
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,799
nanoseconds or very small fragments of

689
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:08,720
sound they can't normally be picked up

690
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:12,559
by our eardrums now the neat thing about

691
00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:14,510
it is even if you're looking at

692
00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:17,390
electromagnetic recorders diaphragms and

693
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:19,910
microphones or even more so and more

694
00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:22,730
actively in digital recorders one of the

695
00:31:28,030 --> 00:31:24,500
common components you have is the

696
00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:28,040
ability to compress sound now in the VOC

697
00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:30,620
quarter the way the vocoder worked was

698
00:31:35,399 --> 00:31:31,750
it split up this

699
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,409
ran it alongside of electromagnetic

700
00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:37,360
noise ran backwards and then I'm the

701
00:31:42,659 --> 00:31:39,940
capturing and recompressed it back into

702
00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:42,669
an audible voice if you will even though

703
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:44,980
it sounded a little more mechanical now

704
00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:47,710
I believe what's happening is that these

705
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:49,960
persistence of memory these attempts at

706
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:53,740
communication or residual EVP are able

707
00:31:59,129 --> 00:31:55,570
to be picked up by our recording devices

708
00:32:02,490 --> 00:31:59,139
because it's recompressing back into a

709
00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:02,500
format that our eardrums can hear upon

710
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:06,309
playback and a compressed format from

711
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:09,730
its some Microsoft State okay Chris you

712
00:32:13,259 --> 00:32:11,080
want to pick up on this and explore it

713
00:32:15,899 --> 00:32:13,269
further well I think I think first of

714
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:15,909
all we we we are suspending our

715
00:32:21,869 --> 00:32:18,610
disbelief here when when it comes to the

716
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:21,879
actual disembodied voices aspect of this

717
00:32:27,419 --> 00:32:24,419
obviously we haven't really proven

718
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:27,429
scientifically that any sort of dissing

719
00:32:34,289 --> 00:32:31,289
incarnate or disembodied intelligence or

720
00:32:36,379 --> 00:32:34,299
sentience out there has the ability to

721
00:32:39,299 --> 00:32:36,389
communicate with sound without those

722
00:32:41,369 --> 00:32:39,309
mechanical devices that we all share

723
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:41,379
which is the diaphragm and the throat

724
00:32:45,539 --> 00:32:43,480
and the voice box and then and the

725
00:32:47,999 --> 00:32:45,549
various organs and parts that Michael

726
00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:48,009
lists it out so so this is a theory that

727
00:32:52,379 --> 00:32:50,230
you've developed in other words which

728
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:52,389
takes that leap and says well with

729
00:32:58,889 --> 00:32:55,600
persistence of memory we do have somehow

730
00:33:01,230 --> 00:32:58,899
the ability to produce localizations

731
00:33:03,299 --> 00:33:01,240
even though we don't have the apparatus

732
00:33:04,499 --> 00:33:03,309
to do that maybe you want to get into

733
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:04,509
that little D but what sort of evidence

734
00:33:08,999 --> 00:33:06,730
do we have to suggest that this is

735
00:33:12,810 --> 00:33:09,009
accurate well one of the things we can

736
00:33:16,499 --> 00:33:12,820
look at is is we need to look at what

737
00:33:19,289 --> 00:33:16,509
we're made of and basically we're pretty

738
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:19,299
much energy in chemistry or chemicals

739
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:22,960
and more electricity the parts of us

740
00:33:28,769 --> 00:33:25,330
that make up our personality our likes

741
00:33:32,639 --> 00:33:28,779
or dislikes our ability to function as

742
00:33:34,540 --> 00:33:32,649
far as knowing how to move and to speak

743
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:34,550
and

744
00:33:38,500 --> 00:33:36,590
things we remember all of our memory

745
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:38,510
everything is all contained within the

746
00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:43,790
electrical or the synaptic discharge in

747
00:33:49,780 --> 00:33:46,580
our bodies now a Kirlian photography or

748
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:49,790
phantom limb theory it's been shown to

749
00:33:56,290 --> 00:33:53,810
some critical acclaim of course that we

750
00:33:59,230 --> 00:33:56,300
lose an arm we lose a finger that if

751
00:34:02,020 --> 00:33:59,240
there's a Kirlian photograph taken of it

752
00:34:06,940 --> 00:34:02,030
or an auto photograph taken of it we can

753
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:06,950
see the outline of where that electric

754
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:11,030
electric pulse still remains and the the

755
00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:13,130
pain that some of us feel or we feel

756
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:14,660
like we still have that hand or that

757
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:17,810
finger and it still hurts and phantom

758
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:21,320
limb theory is the whole concept that we

759
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:23,690
have a persistence of a continuity or

760
00:34:30,220 --> 00:34:27,850
memory of of continuance of this

761
00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:30,230
electrical field that that remains

762
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:33,740
around us once we die that persistence

763
00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:36,110
of memory or that electricity if it's

764
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:42,080
like Einstein says an energy can never

765
00:34:50,169 --> 00:34:46,250
be destroyed then it remains in some

766
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:50,179
state either in a relaxed state or an

767
00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:52,850
inert state or in a kinetic state an

768
00:35:00,610 --> 00:34:56,600
active state so if that persistence of

769
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:00,620
memory exists through the electrical

770
00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:03,530
energy that we carry with us in our life

771
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:06,380
and then that is released upon our death

772
00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:10,220
then it should remain it should be

773
00:35:14,860 --> 00:35:11,960
remaining constant that it should be

774
00:35:17,710 --> 00:35:14,870
able to carry the impulses and the in

775
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:17,720
the memory of speaking as well as as

776
00:35:24,250 --> 00:35:22,310
personal memories and personality from

777
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:24,260
when we were alive I think Edison

778
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:27,260
actually alluded to that persistence of

779
00:35:34,660 --> 00:35:30,140
memory and scientific American Journal

780
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:34,670
why don't we have more EVP is it because

781
00:35:39,340 --> 00:35:36,170
people just aren't hearing it and it's

782
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:39,350
there or is there some sort of you know

783
00:35:44,670 --> 00:35:42,650
quality of emotional quality and the

784
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:44,680
persistence of memory that

785
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:47,050
that is just enough to keep to keep this

786
00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:52,480
the sentient self-aware sense alive you

787
00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:54,700
know you know in our everyday world even

788
00:35:59,760 --> 00:35:57,160
though it's passed on what do you think

789
00:36:02,970 --> 00:35:59,770
the the actual elements are that allow

790
00:36:04,799 --> 00:36:02,980
for these this intelligence to you to be

791
00:36:07,020 --> 00:36:04,809
there in the first place I mean in terms

792
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:07,030
of its agenda I mean some people pass

793
00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:08,710
over and they're never heard from again

794
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:10,300
why do we hear from the ones that we do

795
00:36:14,099 --> 00:36:12,430
hear from and before you actually answer

796
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:14,109
that question let's hold that thought

797
00:36:18,930 --> 00:36:16,000
for a moment and reminder everybody

798
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:18,940
we're talking about EVP with Michael

799
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:21,430
Esposito this week on the power cast if

800
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801
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810
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Michael on some of these things which

811
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about EVP and a few sound effects and

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later on we'll actually have some of his

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power cast and prior to our station

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break a very detailed question was asked

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of Michael from Chris O'Brien Michael

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how about the answer actually a very

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good question and I'll have a couple

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ideas about that one of them is this

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obviously noise pollution if we're

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working with nanoseconds of material

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very fragmented detailed you know very

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short and duration fragments a sound

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that are traveling in sort of groups

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then things like noise pollution is one

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of the things

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we're experiencing that we've not had to

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dealt with before a lot of time ago used

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to hear stories about voices from the

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wood or people hearing you know voices

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on the mound or what have you and you

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don't hear so much about that anymore

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but we have things like cell phone tower

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or some microwave transmissions that are

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running rampant obvious choice

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pollutions like construction and

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automobile traffic but even even noise

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pollution that you wouldn't normally

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think of because obviously even light

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emits frequency or wave form that it

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becomes a no type of noise pollution

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like fluorescent lighting or TVs or

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computer screens or cell phones so we

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tuned all that out normally is what what

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you're I think getting out here I think

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well there's two there's two factors one

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we tune everything out and our

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observation has become practically

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nothing anymore and the other thing of

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course is that it also causes a lot of

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friction within the the environment for

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the entities to be able to freely use

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the atmospheric particles to manipulate

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them to they're fighting against a whole

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lot you know saying Michael before we go

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on you're assuming here that external

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entities are creating these sounds right

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well based on that assumption you know

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obviously you know there's also an idea

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for based on the assumption that it's

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residual sound and that that works a lot

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with echo pre echo and absorption of

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sound frequency into porous materials

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which we can get into in a minute let's

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look about the equipment also that you

976
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use to capture this now the early test

977
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the early experiments with this

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discovery or whatever it was

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use the Edison wax cylinder which is not

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very high in terms of audio fidelity no

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absolutely not and I don't even think

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the fidelity is the main part I mean my

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research lately I'm starting to come to

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the conclusion that it's really all

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about the audio compression and the one

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thing that even that is

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wax cylinder recording at was was a

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means of compression of sound

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compression you know basically anything

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with a diaphragm and a magnet is is you

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know a lot of people buy a digital

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recorder and think they've got a digital

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recording device when they really don't

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they have an analog devote recording

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device with a digital you know

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compression on the flash drive memory

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00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:53,400
chip that uses save the the recording I

998
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:56,430
mean there was actually here let's

999
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clarify this

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what is analog is the playback so the

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source of the material may be captured

1002
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digitally okay but from the recording

1003
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end to the playback end there's a lot of

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analog going on

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well yeah but actually what I'm

1006
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referring to more so is the the

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construction of the microphone you know

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even in a digital recorder the

1009
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microphones got is is basically analog

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in the fact that it has a diaphragm you

1011
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:24,780
know anything that that pulls from a

1012
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diaphragm or even electromagnetic pull

1013
00:45:31,940 --> 00:45:29,940
from the magnet in the microphone is

1014
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:31,950
actually an analog okay so basically

1015
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:34,710
here you capture it with an analog

1016
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capturing system such as a microphone if

1017
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,480
you're playing it back through a headset

1018
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:41,280
or a loudspeaker system again it's

1019
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:44,100
analog but all the processing of the

1020
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signal can be otherwise digital right

1021
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:50,100
that that's irrelevant of the processing

1022
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,990
is it's already captured you know

1023
00:45:57,590 --> 00:45:53,640
remember we're talking about the capture

1024
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of the phenomena once you get to the

1025
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point where you're processing it you may

1026
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:01,710
not want any further compression because

1027
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:04,230
it's already been imprinted on the flash

1028
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:06,290
drive on your digital recorder or

1029
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magnetic tape on your on your analog

1030
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:12,390
tape players or open real tape players

1031
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:15,030
or what-have-you but once it's captured

1032
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you may not want any further compression

1033
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:19,620
to it but upon capturing it that's where

1034
00:46:25,070 --> 00:46:22,290
your compression comes in obviously once

1035
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:25,080
you capture it from the atmosphere what

1036
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:26,460
you're looking for is that compression

1037
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:31,170
to actually you reconstitute it if you

1038
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:33,510
will you know like that the recording of

1039
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:36,090
a quarter okay but if you're using just

1040
00:47:20,720 --> 00:46:36,660
a

1041
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:20,730
version of the show of course it's very

1042
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,720
heavily compressed right but even in a

1043
00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:27,119
lossless recording and this is the

1044
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:28,859
second you got a compress it just to

1045
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:31,530
record it right regardless even if it's

1046
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,190
lossless that's a that's a finer point

1047
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:37,200
that doesn't mean it's not compressed

1048
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:39,450
because it's still compressed basically

1049
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:42,410
the frequency range is going to be

1050
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:45,960
restricted the noise ratio the ratio

1051
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:48,119
between the signal and the background

1052
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:51,720
noise is going to be present even though

1053
00:47:59,029 --> 00:47:57,960
it may be minimal exactly and the the

1054
00:48:02,210 --> 00:47:59,039
other thing I want to point out about

1055
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:02,220
that too is that people need to realize

1056
00:48:07,690 --> 00:48:05,670
that we're kind of anti audio engineers

1057
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:07,700
in other words were they opposite what

1058
00:48:14,450 --> 00:48:11,609
our signal is is what a typical audio

1059
00:48:16,849 --> 00:48:14,460
engineers noises and vice versa

1060
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,859
what's noise to us is the typical signal

1061
00:48:21,740 --> 00:48:18,900
of the audio engineer okay so you're

1062
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:21,750
staying here basically these EVP effects

1063
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:24,690
are heard within the background noise I

1064
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:26,730
mean when you listen to the playback do

1065
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:28,770
you hear it plain as day or do you have

1066
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:31,020
to actually raise the level of the

1067
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:33,480
background noise to separate what's

1068
00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:34,200
happening

1069
00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:36,990
yeah it's all miss exactly you're

1070
00:48:42,859 --> 00:48:39,390
absolutely right and and what it is this

1071
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:42,869
is history movie you've got a I when I

1072
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:45,930
clean my EVPs I am very gingerly because

1073
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:48,010
his removal is where a lot of the

1074
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:51,070
bulk of the actual signals that not all

1075
00:48:54,450 --> 00:48:52,390
of it and some of the ones you'll hear

1076
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:54,460
today they're very very clear you say

1077
00:48:59,100 --> 00:48:56,710
well that's not hiss no but a lot of the

1078
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:59,110
qualities that give it that human sound

1079
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:01,420
that that emotion you know one of the

1080
00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:03,730
reasons that EVP is such a phenomenal

1081
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:06,670
source of evidence versus photographs or

1082
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:12,010
or even video film or what-have-you is

1083
00:49:15,660 --> 00:49:13,480
the fact that the amount of information

1084
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:15,670
you get from audio is greater than

1085
00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:17,890
anything you could ever see you can get

1086
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:19,600
emotions you can tell if it's a female a

1087
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:21,310
male you can tell where they're from

1088
00:49:26,910 --> 00:49:24,640
their socioeconomic status you can tell

1089
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,920
things about their personality you may

1090
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:28,720
even be able to relate to a lot of them

1091
00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:31,030
just on the sound of their voice the

1092
00:49:36,810 --> 00:49:33,580
connection you get with a piece of audio

1093
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:36,820
evidence is far stronger and far greater

1094
00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:39,520
than anything that you could ever get

1095
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:41,830
visually well all I know is when I went

1096
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:44,980
into my initial investigations with

1097
00:49:52,350 --> 00:49:48,970
Michael I was not by any stretch a it

1098
00:49:53,550 --> 00:49:52,360
goes tenor by literal definition you

1099
00:49:57,270 --> 00:49:53,560
know I was very intrigued with the

1100
00:50:01,470 --> 00:49:57,280
location specific you know aspect of

1101
00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:01,480
hauntings and and residual type of you

1102
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:03,820
know entities if you will and so when I

1103
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:06,310
went into my work with Michael early on

1104
00:50:12,210 --> 00:50:10,090
as a videographer I was pretty I was

1105
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:12,220
pretty skeptical about EVPs I thought

1106
00:50:17,220 --> 00:50:14,940
maybe like we discussed earlier was

1107
00:50:19,470 --> 00:50:17,230
parody Leah oh man is that how you say

1108
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Michael parody Leah I've seen faces in

1109
00:50:26,670 --> 00:50:22,330
clouds I thought it was a fun audio form

1110
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:26,680
of that but being there on site and

1111
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:28,210
having some of these incredible

1112
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,510
recordings being you know taken and

1113
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:33,040
right with me in the room and then

1114
00:50:37,650 --> 00:50:34,930
listening back to them later hearing

1115
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:37,660
voices literally answering questions or

1116
00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:41,980
were we're actually showing up in terms

1117
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:43,630
of the timeline book and answering

1118
00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:45,130
questions before the question was even

1119
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:47,380
asked that's when I started to really

1120
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:48,730
get a sense that there was something

1121
00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:51,610
something to this and Michael why don't

1122
00:50:58,220 --> 00:50:54,280
we go through and start talking about

1123
00:51:00,060 --> 00:50:58,230
some of your early work in the field and

1124
00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:00,070
you know how your thinking has

1125
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:00,760
progressed

1126
00:51:03,570 --> 00:51:02,170
when you first started out to where

1127
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:03,580
you're at today because you've you've

1128
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:06,190
been all over the world literally doing

1129
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:09,250
EVP investigations and haunting

1130
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:11,650
investigations what have you learned in

1131
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:13,930
all this time and and how did you start

1132
00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:16,510
out and where are you now I'll tell you

1133
00:51:20,730 --> 00:51:18,220
what before we get to the answer of what

1134
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:20,740
you learned how you got started in this

1135
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:23,050
sort of research let me remind you that

1136
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:27,130
we have Michael Esposito an EVP expert

1137
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:29,290
if there is such a thing as an EVP

1138
00:51:34,050 --> 00:51:30,940
expert we'll be hearing some of his

1139
00:51:36,780 --> 00:51:34,060
sounds in the next hour of the power

1140
00:51:40,980 --> 00:51:36,790
cast our co-host is Chris O'Brien I'm

1141
00:51:49,650 --> 00:51:40,990
gene Steinberg you're in the para cast

1142
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1157
00:52:24,190 --> 00:52:22,160
Anderson have you ever wondered why

1158
00:52:26,140 --> 00:52:24,200
banks stockbrokers investment advisors

1159
00:52:28,510 --> 00:52:26,150
won't talk about gold IRAs they've been

1160
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:28,520
available since 1986 yet the financial

1161
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:30,170
industry won't recognize the value of

1162
00:52:33,850 --> 00:52:31,910
gold for your retirement goal has

1163
00:52:35,770 --> 00:52:33,860
outperformed paper investments yet no

1164
00:52:48,450 --> 00:52:35,780
word about IRAs if you would like to

1165
00:53:09,310 --> 00:52:50,350
806-853-9949

1166
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:11,870
we return with our number two of the

1167
00:53:16,370 --> 00:53:13,980
para cast this week I'm Jean Steinberg

1168
00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:16,380
the co-host is Chris O'Brien the guest

1169
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:19,619
Michael Esposito and we've been talking

1170
00:53:25,310 --> 00:53:23,010
about EVP and in our last question

1171
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:25,320
before we broke michael was asked about

1172
00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:28,560
how he got into this research so tell us

1173
00:53:34,609 --> 00:53:31,830
the story hmm well actually I was

1174
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:34,619
building computers I was modifying and

1175
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:37,980
building mid-tower computers some crazy

1176
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:40,440
stuff and I was building a studio

1177
00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:44,970
computer with like a 36 channel German

1178
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:46,590
Terra Tech mixer

1179
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:48,930
okay this was an audio style computer

1180
00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:50,760
for studio at work okay yeah yeah

1181
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,670
exactly and I started working with

1182
00:53:57,950 --> 00:53:56,400
modifying it and trying to do some

1183
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:57,960
interesting things with it and I ran

1184
00:54:05,210 --> 00:54:01,920
into the work of extreme frequencies and

1185
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:05,220
you know e.l.f and ultrasonic

1186
00:54:10,550 --> 00:54:07,890
frequencies and and also the work with

1187
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:10,560
experimental music and then electronic

1188
00:54:16,430 --> 00:54:13,260
voice phenomena experimental musicians

1189
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:16,440
tend to really have an affinity for

1190
00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:18,270
electronic voice phenomena as a

1191
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:21,260
phenomena because of the work they do in

1192
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:23,910
extreme frequency ranges multiple

1193
00:54:31,099 --> 00:54:28,230
frequency ranges and audio anomalies so

1194
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:31,109
as I grew up my mother would had an

1195
00:54:36,829 --> 00:54:33,420
affinity to the paranormal and I were

1196
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:36,839
you know hearing ghost stories as I was

1197
00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:39,300
a kid about a local haunting you know

1198
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:41,070
long summer nights and stuff so I had

1199
00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:43,530
sort of an affinity to the paranormal

1200
00:54:49,820 --> 00:54:47,339
anyway but here was a way that that my

1201
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:49,830
ideas of quantum physics and

1202
00:54:55,550 --> 00:54:53,130
experimental music and the research I

1203
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:55,560
was doing is not only a scientist for

1204
00:55:00,380 --> 00:54:58,710
the technician building the model highly

1205
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:00,390
modified computers and stuff all really

1206
00:55:11,810 --> 00:55:08,810
sort of the road it was there was the

1207
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:11,820
road I was meant to travel and then once

1208
00:55:16,420 --> 00:55:13,650
I started testing it and doing some

1209
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:16,430
recordings and I started capturing

1210
00:55:19,790 --> 00:55:18,960
examples of electronic voice phenomena

1211
00:55:21,590 --> 00:55:19,800
ly was

1212
00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:21,600
I mean I think that's one thing you'll

1213
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,340
find this when you start doing this type

1214
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:24,960
of research and you start capturing

1215
00:55:30,140 --> 00:55:27,660
voices on your own you're hooked I mean

1216
00:55:32,420 --> 00:55:30,150
it was just throwing back what is your

1217
00:55:34,340 --> 00:55:32,430
professional background that's not your

1218
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:34,350
day job I hope no no actually I'm

1219
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:35,790
sitting here at the Chicago Board of

1220
00:55:41,650 --> 00:55:38,850
Trade in Chicago Illinois I'm a

1221
00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:41,660
commodity broker a system specialist

1222
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:44,550
work on trade systems help people

1223
00:55:51,980 --> 00:55:48,090
back-testing modify them evaluate them

1224
00:55:54,350 --> 00:55:51,990
and sell them to clients so they can use

1225
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:54,360
systematic trading or systemic trading

1226
00:56:02,780 --> 00:55:58,740
to trade commodities my background is my

1227
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:02,790
undergraduate work bachelors in public

1228
00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:05,750
relations one in political science

1229
00:56:10,930 --> 00:56:09,150
couple master's in communication theory

1230
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:10,940
studied American University Cairo Egypt

1231
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:13,590
University of Notre Dame Purdue

1232
00:56:23,290 --> 00:56:19,680
University governor State University

1233
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,300
masters communication theory in Illinois

1234
00:56:30,430 --> 00:56:26,880
most of my formal education is based on

1235
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:30,440
communication theory and and

1236
00:56:37,940 --> 00:56:34,050
communication technique and actually my

1237
00:56:40,850 --> 00:56:37,950
family history I'm an ancestor of Alfred

1238
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:40,860
Vail who invented the Morse code and

1239
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:42,990
some telegraph keys with his partner

1240
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:46,650
Samuel Morris sent the first Morse code

1241
00:56:57,620 --> 00:56:53,010
transmission and his nephew theater veil

1242
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:57,630
was the president of AT&T before up

1243
00:57:05,540 --> 00:57:02,400
until World War one and basically so I

1244
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:05,550
come from a long line of communication

1245
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:08,490
researchers if you will okay so you set

1246
00:57:16,010 --> 00:57:12,180
up this system and how did you go about

1247
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:16,020
capturing EVP well I started out just

1248
00:57:19,610 --> 00:57:17,850
typically with a very variety of

1249
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:19,620
different recorders and stuff and

1250
00:57:27,380 --> 00:57:24,180
started to take the recordings I made

1251
00:57:30,479 --> 00:57:27,390
and I dropped him on to a computer and I

1252
00:57:30,489 --> 00:57:35,579
fancier software and stuff that I had

1253
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:39,069
you know put on my computer and tweaked

1254
00:57:43,419 --> 00:57:41,089
up a bit now the software that you're

1255
00:57:45,279 --> 00:57:43,429
using is this strictly audio capturing

1256
00:57:47,649 --> 00:57:45,289
software or is there something there

1257
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:47,659
that manipulates the sound mixes it

1258
00:57:53,919 --> 00:57:51,649
compresses it something like that more

1259
00:57:58,629 --> 00:57:53,929
sophisticated that's actually I use

1260
00:58:01,089 --> 00:57:58,639
audition Auto V Edition when I first

1261
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:01,099
started doing the recordings I found a

1262
00:58:09,789 --> 00:58:03,649
group that was an actual this is a

1263
00:58:14,589 --> 00:58:09,799
quinone Adobe edition 1.0 was originally

1264
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:14,599
out there and they gave in us the beta

1265
00:58:21,459 --> 00:58:18,130
testing on it so a lot of things that we

1266
00:58:24,729 --> 00:58:21,469
developed for them that came out in the

1267
00:58:27,429 --> 00:58:24,739
3.0 was actually things that we wanted

1268
00:58:32,459 --> 00:58:27,439
as EVP researchers that actually showed

1269
00:58:35,790 --> 00:58:32,469
up some of it some of the actual

1270
00:58:37,169 --> 00:58:35,800
scientific filters as as far as removing

1271
00:58:40,509 --> 00:58:37,179
[Music]

1272
00:58:43,169 --> 00:58:40,519
subsonic base and and and different

1273
00:58:45,399 --> 00:58:43,179
things like that that we want it as I

1274
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:45,409
guess if you will Audio scopic

1275
00:58:50,979 --> 00:58:48,319
researchers ended up on the Adobe

1276
00:58:54,539 --> 00:58:50,989
Audition so I assume the programmers at

1277
00:58:58,689 --> 00:58:54,549
Adobe are possibly paranormal

1278
00:59:01,959 --> 00:58:58,699
aficionados it's possible I'm not expose

1279
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:01,969
I'm still not really sure how that all

1280
00:59:07,209 --> 00:59:04,609
that came through like that but actually

1281
00:59:09,429 --> 00:59:07,219
I don't think people would realize when

1282
00:59:12,699 --> 00:59:09,439
they bought a the new Adobe Edition that

1283
00:59:15,009 --> 00:59:12,709
a lot of the plugins a lot of the things

1284
00:59:17,829 --> 00:59:15,019
that we had them at odd were actually

1285
00:59:21,370 --> 00:59:17,839
based in paranormal research this is a

1286
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:21,380
Windows only product the only Mac

1287
00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:23,569
version of Adobe audio software was

1288
00:59:28,659 --> 00:59:26,329
sound booth unfortunately and I don't

1289
00:59:32,219 --> 00:59:28,669
think it's the same program at all it's

1290
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:32,229
close but but it's very different and

1291
00:59:37,180 --> 00:59:34,729
that's a shame too because I've always

1292
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,190
dying to get into Mac and

1293
00:59:43,329 --> 00:59:38,960
going to man cuz max got a lot of great

1294
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:43,339
features as well but my parents software

1295
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:48,410
is a PC based unfortunately okay so in

1296
00:59:53,620 --> 00:59:50,210
terms of microphones what kind of

1297
00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:53,630
microphone did you use it depends again

1298
01:00:02,530 --> 00:59:56,390
I used everything from I picked up

1299
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:02,540
harmonica microphones or professional

1300
01:00:09,490 --> 01:00:07,010
microphones wire microphones with

1301
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:09,500
germanium crystals I built contact

1302
01:00:15,849 --> 01:00:13,040
microphones of my own based on PC

1303
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:15,859
electic discs you know it got a Radio

1304
01:00:21,819 --> 01:00:19,910
Shack and get a PZ electic pickup and

1305
01:00:24,359 --> 01:00:21,829
then break apart the plastic and pull

1306
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,369
the disc out of it and wire it up to

1307
01:00:30,849 --> 01:00:27,440
eighth inch Jack you know or a quarter

1308
01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,859
inch Jack some simple microphones baby

1309
01:00:35,620 --> 01:00:33,200
monitors cell phones anything that I

1310
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:35,630
could get to capture signal I've tried

1311
01:00:39,970 --> 01:00:38,150
okay now where did you put the mics or

1312
01:00:42,220 --> 01:00:39,980
the capturing equipment did you go to a

1313
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:42,230
specific place would you maybe go to a

1314
01:00:45,490 --> 01:00:43,670
place where there's a lot of

1315
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:45,500
electromagnetic radiation like nearest

1316
01:00:50,140 --> 01:00:48,530
cell-tower I've shocked right the

1317
01:00:52,329 --> 01:00:50,150
experiments using things like cell

1318
01:00:56,589 --> 01:00:52,339
towers and other types of high-tension

1319
01:00:58,900 --> 01:00:56,599
wires high tension wires that the real

1320
01:01:00,970 --> 01:00:58,910
of big ones are real interesting places

1321
01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:00,980
to explore

1322
01:01:08,849 --> 01:01:04,040
I try and hold onto my equipment again

1323
01:01:13,540 --> 01:01:11,530
electromagnetic or if you will I think

1324
01:01:15,579 --> 01:01:13,550
that accident I mean we're a kind of

1325
01:01:18,940 --> 01:01:15,589
human batteries I mean it's a lot like

1326
01:01:20,740 --> 01:01:18,950
sticking nails and wires and oranges and

1327
01:01:24,130 --> 01:01:20,750
lemons you know you can create

1328
01:01:26,940 --> 01:01:24,140
electrical charges from that I think we

1329
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:26,950
also have the ability to act as a

1330
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:29,599
magnetic booster or electromagnetic

1331
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:32,000
booster ourselves just from the fact

1332
01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:34,310
that that we have so much electricity

1333
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:38,750
that makes us up especially yeah the the

1334
01:01:43,390 --> 01:01:41,599
heart the brain you know in the hair

1335
01:01:45,550 --> 01:01:43,400
with the static electric I've done a lot

1336
01:01:48,849 --> 01:01:45,560
of research and work on the tribal

1337
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:48,859
electric scales and and static research

1338
01:01:54,030 --> 01:01:50,690
static electricity research one of the

1339
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:54,040
reasons being is a head of

1340
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:56,570
electromagnetic storm a thunderstorm if

1341
01:02:00,040 --> 01:01:57,250
you will

1342
01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:00,050
lightning storm you always saw in

1343
01:02:05,079 --> 01:02:02,900
Hollywood and stuff where Austin aural

1344
01:02:06,730 --> 01:02:05,089
and visual manifestations started really

1345
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:06,740
happy and thought it was because of the

1346
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:09,890
energy that was being generated from the

1347
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,470
electromagnetic storm that the lightning

1348
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:14,720
storm but the fact of the matter is a

1349
01:02:19,780 --> 01:02:16,670
head of a lightning storm what happens

1350
01:02:22,180 --> 01:02:19,790
is the era ionizes like if you took and

1351
01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:22,190
bought an ionizer at a sharpers image

1352
01:02:27,250 --> 01:02:25,070
and set it up in a room it removes the

1353
01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:27,260
additional positive and negative

1354
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:30,230
particles to the atmospheric or rather

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iTunes Michael Esposito is the guest

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Chris O'Brien is the co-host I'm gene

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Steinberg you're in the power cast we're

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looking at EVP electromagnetic voice

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phenomenon we call electromagnetic

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because it happens when electromagnetic

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radiation is at its highest well what I

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was describing was was the reduction or

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the the ionization or neutralizing of a

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mysteric particles to allow a free form

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of atmospheric particles static

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electricity comes about because

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atmospheric particle picks up additional

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negative or positively charged ion and

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if it starts with a magnetic pull when

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the motes of dust run across certain

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material such as old wood and windows

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one has a tendency to produce a positive

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and one has a tendency to produce a

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negative ion to add to that particle as

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the mote of dust runs across it that's

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what creates static electricity now that

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static electricity in the air creates a

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pull against the atmospheric particles

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so they don't have the free flow that

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they normally would in an ionized

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situation it's like taking the white and

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black Scottie dogs and putting them but

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to but you know you just can't get them

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just scoot together so by ionizing the

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air or naturally when it occurs during a

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you know ahead of a thunderstorm or

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lightning storm rather it allows the

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atmosphere to to free flow because they

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drop that additional negative or

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positive ly charged ion and it allows

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the more free flow of these atmospheric

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particles and the energy with the

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persistent

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of memory can easily more easily

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manipulated to create EVP if you will or

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even visual operations so so what you're

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suggesting is the ahead of a lightning

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storm you have better conditions setting

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up for you possibly ideal I EVP

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recording conditions correct correct and

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not for the reasons that are classically

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thought of adding more energy to the

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amateur but actually reducing the

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magnetic pool in the air what were some

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of the early investigations are really

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out in the field where where you really

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knew that you had stumbled on a pretty

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pretty intriguing mystery a scientific

1515
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mystery I want you to give us some ideas

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01:09:48,449 --> 01:09:46,269
of some of your early investigative work

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what am I really early cases that I

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really like was was the Salian house and

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01:09:57,209 --> 01:09:54,699
I think we have some of those EVPs from

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that particular investigation now what

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01:10:00,689 --> 01:09:59,530
happened to his investigation and I'm

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the kind of guy who likes to do things

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differently and try things differently

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than what's normally done back then when

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I started it was classic to do 15-minute

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EVP sessions and then stop and then do

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15 and stop and blah blah blah myself I

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01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,340
thought it'd be a great idea if I'm

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gonna sneak in a recorder or just play

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it the whole time just record everything

1531
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and not let anybody know that I had a

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01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:25,869
recorder going during the the 15-minute

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01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,900
exercise so we got nothing at all and it

1534
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:30,400
was just like they knew we're recording

1535
01:10:35,969 --> 01:10:33,249
and they were being really quiet on my

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recorder in between the 15 minute

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exercises I got tons of stuff just some

1538
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:41,679
of the incredible Irish females that's

1539
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where the blue and the gold came from

1540
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:45,699
was that particular exercise a lot of

1541
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:48,130
crazy voices of people that were

1542
01:10:53,250 --> 01:10:49,689
definitely not there you could hear

1543
01:10:55,979 --> 01:10:53,260
accents and stuff and became a real real

1544
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,989
fascination to try new things my

1545
01:11:00,449 --> 01:10:57,280
research partner Heidi Hartmann

1546
01:11:03,089 --> 01:11:00,459
introduced me to metaphysical aspects of

1547
01:11:06,029 --> 01:11:03,099
like Tibetan singing bowls to produce

1548
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tonal sounds and to infuse into the room

1549
01:11:11,729 --> 01:11:09,579
like using a pink or white noise like a

1550
01:11:13,379 --> 01:11:11,739
sound engineer in my pink out of room we

1551
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:13,389
were infusing the atmosphere with things

1552
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:14,040
like

1553
01:11:21,380 --> 01:11:17,610
singing boy okay before we go on what

1554
01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:21,390
does pink outer room mean okay this is

1555
01:11:26,150 --> 01:11:23,820
for the audio engineers and the like an

1556
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:26,160
answer that Chris you want to answer

1557
01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:28,530
there it's very simple it's taking the

1558
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:30,030
in cousteau acoustic environment and

1559
01:11:35,180 --> 01:11:32,970
creating a completely flat frequency

1560
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:35,190
response in the room and you do that by

1561
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:37,770
projecting pink noise into the room and

1562
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:41,130
then with a frequency analyzer you then

1563
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:43,530
pull all your levels either down or up

1564
01:11:48,350 --> 01:11:46,770
to zero which is flat basically folding

1565
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:48,360
like you're recording in the orchestra

1566
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:50,850
in a large hall you want to float pink

1567
01:11:55,370 --> 01:11:53,880
pink noise in there to absorb the echo

1568
01:11:57,860 --> 01:11:55,380
and stuff so when you're recording you

1569
01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:57,870
get a cleaner cleaner sound without

1570
01:12:01,970 --> 01:11:59,880
getting the the sound of the orchestra

1571
01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:01,980
bouncing off of every wall in the world

1572
01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:05,880
and so we know that if we impose or

1573
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:07,980
infuse different types of frequencies

1574
01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:10,770
either tonal or noise base frequencies

1575
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:13,190
like white noise or brown noise or or

1576
01:12:19,250 --> 01:12:17,010
red noise or pink noise or violent nose

1577
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:19,260
that we can actually have those

1578
01:12:23,210 --> 01:12:21,330
frequencies hang for some duration of

1579
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:23,220
time while we record even after the

1580
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:25,080
noise actually stops I'll tell you what

1581
01:12:28,940 --> 01:12:26,490
here we don't I get overly technical

1582
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:28,950
because people just - now let's say you

1583
01:12:32,660 --> 01:12:30,930
know I didn't tune in to this show to

1584
01:12:35,060 --> 01:12:32,670
become an audio engineer I just want to

1585
01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:35,070
learn how it's being done okay so you go

1586
01:12:39,950 --> 01:12:37,620
to work is there a percentage of times

1587
01:12:43,670 --> 01:12:39,960
where you actually get a hit get

1588
01:12:46,460 --> 01:12:43,680
something that sounds useful well in my

1589
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:46,470
recordings and I get a much higher rate

1590
01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:48,570
than most of the other people that I

1591
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:50,700
know or I've worked with in my

1592
01:12:58,010 --> 01:12:53,940
recordings I can get about twenty to

1593
01:13:01,610 --> 01:12:58,020
thirty EVPs for every 20 minutes that's

1594
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:01,620
one a minute Wow yeah yeah roughly about

1595
01:13:06,230 --> 01:13:03,480
what a minute I don't think I've ever

1596
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:06,240
been out on a case with you and we

1597
01:13:10,430 --> 01:13:09,090
haven't so many you just don't know what

1598
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:10,440
to do with them all of course it's a

1599
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:13,800
basic way out there with Michael and you

1600
01:13:17,150 --> 01:13:15,900
know personally vouch for the fact that

1601
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:17,160
some of these things are happening

1602
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:20,940
oh absolutely in fact one of my one of

1603
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:22,530
the most amazing things I've ever

1604
01:13:27,430 --> 01:13:25,530
actually experienced on in a field

1605
01:13:29,770 --> 01:13:27,440
investigation was when Michael

1606
01:13:33,370 --> 01:13:29,780
and I and in some of the Indiana ghost

1607
01:13:37,419 --> 01:13:33,380
trackers went up to Al Capone's country

1608
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:37,429
house in I think Willowbrook Illinois

1609
01:13:41,169 --> 01:13:39,290
and of course the first thing that the

1610
01:13:42,820 --> 01:13:41,179
owner did was city told us don't go up

1611
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:42,830
into the attic because there's you know

1612
01:13:46,450 --> 01:13:44,570
he had a real bad encounter up there

1613
01:13:47,979 --> 01:13:46,460
with with some sort of energy or force

1614
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:47,989
and so of course what does Michael do

1615
01:13:51,310 --> 01:13:49,370
the first thing Michael does as soon as

1616
01:13:53,410 --> 01:13:51,320
he turned his back Michael snuck a

1617
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,420
recorder up there put it on record and

1618
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then zipped back downstairs well we got

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within five minutes of that recorder

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being put up there and nobody going up

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into the room for the next hour and a

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half I think two hours within five

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minutes we got a recording that sounded

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like the owner saying the word Wow and

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then I figured what the sentence was we

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said that that something something wow

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isn't that something and interestingly

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enough about 45 minutes later now of

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course we didn't know we had that EVP

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because the recorder was upstairs

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recording on its own and we continued

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you know in the building doing our

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investigation and at one point we were

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all standing there I was changing tapes

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and batteries in the video camera we

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didn't have any recording device record

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him but we all heard an expletive now

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we're not play that one ladies and

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gentlemen no but I know the FCC we all

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looked at each other and then Don the

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owner in Michael came down the hall into

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the to the room and we all were excited

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and we told him what what we had heard

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all you know just stood the hair up on

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my my back of my neck and he goes Wow

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wasn't that something and and you know

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at this point I'm filming again so I got

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a film of him saying this and then we

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went on with the investigation well when

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we got back into the studio we were

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reviewing our recordings we had this

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clear as a bell EVP of the owner saying

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something that we then recorded 45

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minutes later him saying slightly

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different but you could tell it's the

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same person the inflection is slightly

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different you know we have this evidence

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that we present in a documentary that we

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did called dead whisper I think well

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we'll get into more of this in a moment

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Michael Esposito the EVP expert joins us

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looks like Chris O'Brien our co-host has

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done a lot of this research as well I'm

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Jean Steinberg you're in the para ghost

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we have Michael Esposito we're talking

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about EVP how to capture it what the

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results might be he's getting one every

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20 minutes the co-host is Chris O'Brien

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I'm gene Steinberg you're in the power

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cast listen guys okay you gave me some

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recordings obviously the ones where the

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language is a bit Frank we're not gonna

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play those I'm sorry I don't get a lot

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of those too well I don't know maybe the

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spirit world they're kind of profane

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over there they don't like being

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captured okay

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the FCC so we're not gonna do that

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that's it you know we're about the FCC

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they don't have to worry about the

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government or any of that interference

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they think they're on cable TV they

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think there's Showtime they think

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they're actually running the TV show

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True Blood we're okay seriously folks

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you tell me what recording we should

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play and then we'll discuss it you know

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we were talking about the Sallie house

1799
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why don't you do the blue and the gold

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and and maggot I think there's two there

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from the cell you know this is number

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four a I'm gonna try whoo here we go

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first we'll play the blue and the gold

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okay so here the maggots one sounded

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pretty clear and these are voices that

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basically nobody was talking you just

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had your recording equipment set up and

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then you do a little filtering and there

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01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:54,390
it is yeah

1810
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actually with the maggots one that's an

1811
01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:58,200
interesting that's phenomenon that I

1812
01:22:02,990 --> 01:22:00,600
called borrowed voice phenomena you can

1813
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hear my voice I'm at the investigation

1814
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:05,550
I'd forgotten something downstairs so I

1815
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was telling them you know guys look I'm

1816
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sorry I got to go downstairs and get

1817
01:22:15,650 --> 01:22:12,540
whatever and the maggot part you can

1818
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:15,660
hear it wind off because right and then

1819
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:17,460
you hear there are maggots all over here

1820
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and then your roar and it sounds like my

1821
01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:21,420
voice but you can hear me talking

1822
01:22:25,550 --> 01:22:24,300
underneath of it so I first thing I can

1823
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tell you is I didn't say that and

1824
01:22:30,350 --> 01:22:27,510
secondly I can tell you that it's my

1825
01:22:32,300 --> 01:22:30,360
voice and it's my voice underneath it

1826
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:32,310
so it's kind of like an audio

1827
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doppelganger where I believe the spirits

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actually use the frequencies that you

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admit or a researcher emits from

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speaking and creates communication that

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latches on to your voice andrey modifies

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it to try and communicate and that's a

1833
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clearer example it's a very good example

1834
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:53,790
of it and we have caught other examples

1835
01:22:58,670 --> 01:22:56,370
of that as well okay so now we have

1836
01:23:01,130 --> 01:22:58,680
another serious question to ask here if

1837
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it's capturing your voice on a delayed

1838
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:04,020
basis okay you say something or whatever

1839
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:06,900
and then 40 minutes later you pick it up

1840
01:23:13,010 --> 01:23:09,690
in the ether as they say then it's not a

1841
01:23:15,260 --> 01:23:13,020
disembodied spirit is it depends now you

1842
01:23:17,420 --> 01:23:15,270
know the voice borrowing is actually in

1843
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real time it's actually not picking up

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something I said earlier but it's

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actually using my voice now to say

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something totally different you know

1847
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:25,380
that if you listen to the maggots one

1848
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you can hear my voice talk about having

1849
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to go downstairs and get something

1850
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:31,910
underneath it much lighter and then

1851
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:34,410
Magath part is real loud but it's

1852
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something I never said ever now with the

1853
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case with RIT Cody's the EVP that you

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capture is something

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that was said but it's it's guys voice

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01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:47,849
it's the same inflection but it's a

1857
01:23:52,819 --> 01:23:50,010
different voice in other words the the

1858
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:52,829
audio inflections of his voice saying oh

1859
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,489
wow

1860
01:23:59,029 --> 01:23:55,679
whatever it is he said but it's not

1861
01:24:01,669 --> 01:23:59,039
exactly his voice now later on when we

1862
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capture on video he actually did say it

1863
01:24:07,819 --> 01:24:04,199
but it was something he said long after

1864
01:24:08,540 --> 01:24:07,829
the EVP so that 40 minutes later yeah

1865
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:08,550
exactly

1866
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:11,010
so the question is then in following

1867
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:13,050
back from Einstein again are we looking

1868
01:24:18,830 --> 01:24:15,690
at time faults or what is the the

1869
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:18,840
phenomena that that has to deal with is

1870
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:21,210
there a time fault or is there or do

1871
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:23,369
spirits live in sort of a time folder or

1872
01:24:29,419 --> 01:24:26,130
a parallel dimension that they actually

1873
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know what we're going to say or what we

1874
01:24:34,819 --> 01:24:31,739
have said or what we're thinking even in

1875
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:34,829
real time you know are connected to that

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energy and actually can transcend time

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and space as well as into us and into

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our memories and remembrances things I

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love about this one of the things I

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wonder about this is when you think that

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maybe you've captured something from a

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spirit world maybe a voice of someone

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who's no longer here the other crazy

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solution here or crazy theory is that no

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actually what you're hearing is

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something from a parallel universe that

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you have people like us it's like the TV

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show fringe and fringe has an alternate

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reality an alternate universe where

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everything is similar but different you

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know the same people put into somewhat

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01:25:22,609 --> 01:25:19,860
different situations so by the same

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token maybe if this stuff is all real

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maybe we are hearing not the voice of

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the dead we're seeing the image of the

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dead we're hearing what's going on in

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another universe well that's a good

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question that's like saying am i hearing

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the voice of an American Indian or am i

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hearing a voice of someone who lives in

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01:25:44,299 --> 01:25:40,980
the new world you know you know it still

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it still is a paranormal phenomena

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because it is something out of our

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normal everyday world you know if it's

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an alternate reality or an alternate

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01:25:58,100 --> 01:25:55,350
existence who lives there

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is it possibly us after we die we could

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live in the alternate you know existence

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of the parallel universe or another

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version of ourselves living in a

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parallel or low reality and the other

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person the other version of me is making

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more money than I am so he can send me

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alone you know I'll call that person say

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hey there gene number two or maybe I'm

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gene number two and he's gene number 67

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gene sixty-seven send me a check you

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can't spend it there you know that's the

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thing it's it's we don't know you know

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if what we're exploring here is the

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unknown do we know that they're voices

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of the dead no it's a assumption that

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we're making is that they are from some

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of the things that we gathered some of

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the things we said we think that somehow

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in part it may be they may not be I mean

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all they may be some mad hoax by one

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entity that runs around giving EVP to

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everybody in the world because there's

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some parallel universe he's the genie in

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charge of EVP exactly but the one thing

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we do know is that they were able to set

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a particle next to itself so in essence

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they created time travel

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that was a experiment that was done what

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was it six months eight ten months ago

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that they actually pulled off putting it

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a national particle next to itself right

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01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:19,080
it CERN mm-hmm exactly so if they were

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able to do then that mesons creates time

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travel then you have to start

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questioning what we perceive is the real

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world anyway okay you just raised a

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really huge question here and I'll ask

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it okay so we have these sounds have you

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submitted these to professional audio

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engineers scientists and say okay you

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01:27:45,230 --> 01:27:40,920
tell me what is this it's not a hoax

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what is it yeah that's the interesting

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thing I mean pie-pie some engineers from

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01:27:58,100 --> 01:27:52,650
Pye records in England did a whole

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series of tests with Constantine Road

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Dogg and actually put him in a Faraday

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cage and and and recorded him and

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couldn't come up with the answers to

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what it is

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I mean basically a lot of times when

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people send me EVPs and things like that

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it's hard to to perceive whether or not

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there were who was in the room or who

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was there or what you really have to

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take good notes to get real clear

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perceptions because some of these come

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into audible frequency ranges once you

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download them but you don't hear them at

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the time which is an interesting

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phenomena

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I mean basically the more we research

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the more we discover the more questions

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we have the more the less we know and

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that is that's one of the dynamics of

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this research and what keeps it really

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alive pardon is that is there was

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something new happening yeah there's

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01:28:57,730 --> 01:28:53,360
always something new and that land of

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the dead but yeah and it just leads to

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more questions and stuff some very valid

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questions and some very poignant

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01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:06,590
questions that keeps us - why don't you

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describe one of the the other sets of

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EVPs we heard the blue and the gold

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could catch the light and and the maggot

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one what about the Luann's farm or or

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I'm trying to remember the other one the

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one with Michael in it was a set okay

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yeah the set let's do that when we begin

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the next section here check us out on

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our site power cast comp our cast com

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join our message boards contact us by

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email check it out we have Michael

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Esposito EVP expert Tom pious whatever

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it is Chris O'Brien is the co-host I'm

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hear some more sounds which we'll

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introduce in a moment the co-host is

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Chris O'Brien I'm gene Steinberg you're

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still in the power cast ok frame this

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here we heard to earlier in the episode

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what are we going to hear next this was

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a set my sister actually was having a

2102
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lot of problems with her son who was

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reaching that age but it was getting

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nearly uncontrollable he was the heavy

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mood swings punching holes and walls

2106
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just incredibly incredibly out there bad

2107
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behavior and she had just bought the

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house not too long ago and it happened

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to be across the street from a cemetery

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go figure and so my research partner

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01:35:07,459 --> 01:35:04,620
honey and I went to record there when we

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got in there one of the questions I

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asked was what do you want and the

2114
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voices came out the first one was a male

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01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:16,860
and the male voices to kill Michael and

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01:35:22,370 --> 01:35:19,560
then there was a pause and it said just

2117
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kidding and then a female chimed in

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after another short pause and said he's

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sorry so it was this whole conversation

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going on about the question I asked this

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01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:33,150
whole conversation going on about me was

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01:35:50,110 --> 01:35:35,730
pretty phenomenal okay that's not

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[Applause]

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I'll be honest you know I couldn't

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01:35:59,080 --> 01:35:57,140
understand any of it I just heard noise

2126
01:36:00,460 --> 01:35:59,090
with the suggestion of a voice and that

2127
01:36:02,380 --> 01:36:00,470
was about it you have to be able to

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listen very attentively I mean you

2129
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really have to listen closely to hear

2130
01:36:10,210 --> 01:36:07,280
some of them some of them come out at

2131
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:10,220
you a little more clearly there's a lot

2132
01:36:13,900 --> 01:36:12,770
of them that what Michael Michael can

2133
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:13,910
hear that I think the average person

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01:36:20,260 --> 01:36:16,250
can't hear but he's he's had so much

2135
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experience in this room that he's had so

2136
01:36:24,430 --> 01:36:22,340
much experience listening to hours and

2137
01:36:27,370 --> 01:36:24,440
hours and hours of recordings pulling

2138
01:36:30,340 --> 01:36:27,380
out EVPs that his ears are really finely

2139
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tuned Heidi actually her ears even even

2140
01:36:35,650 --> 01:36:33,110
more amazing but again the Rorschach

2141
01:36:38,260 --> 01:36:35,660
test problem where you think you hear

2142
01:36:40,690 --> 01:36:38,270
something you fill in the blanks and you

2143
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hear something that may or may not be

2144
01:36:44,740 --> 01:36:42,920
there and I'm not trying to you know

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01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:44,750
just insult you about this we're trying

2146
01:36:48,700 --> 01:36:46,850
to get to the bottom of this mystery and

2147
01:36:51,250 --> 01:36:48,710
trying to understand it well the

2148
01:36:53,950 --> 01:36:51,260
question to is is it more or less a

2149
01:36:56,020 --> 01:36:53,960
brave new world situation I mean doesn't

2150
01:36:58,060 --> 01:36:56,030
he have to be so clear that the the

2151
01:37:00,460 --> 01:36:58,070
seven-year-old man with the hearing aid

2152
01:37:03,340 --> 01:37:00,470
the multiple hearing aids on it can hear

2153
01:37:05,860 --> 01:37:03,350
it does that then qualify it as existing

2154
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:05,870
well not necessarily I mean you know

2155
01:37:10,510 --> 01:37:07,760
sometimes people look at things that are

2156
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:10,520
really there with the micronutrients

2157
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:12,050
cough you know does that mean they're

2158
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:13,730
not there because you can't see with the

2159
01:37:19,210 --> 01:37:16,070
naked eye or that you can't see it must

2160
01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:19,220
have very very good vision now it still

2161
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:21,260
exists now on the other hand

2162
01:37:26,110 --> 01:37:23,570
- I've had experimental musicians who

2163
01:37:29,890 --> 01:37:26,120
are actually very good listeners tell me

2164
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:29,900
that I forced them to listen closer than

2165
01:37:35,260 --> 01:37:32,050
they normally would ever have to listen

2166
01:37:35,890 --> 01:37:35,270
yeah darling would mean I can vouch for

2167
01:37:38,830 --> 01:37:35,900
that

2168
01:37:40,630 --> 01:37:38,840
some of these Michael has kind of

2169
01:37:43,930 --> 01:37:40,640
divided them into classifications Class

2170
01:37:45,580 --> 01:37:43,940
A EVPs are the ones that you can hear

2171
01:37:47,890 --> 01:37:45,590
the first time they hear you can hear

2172
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:47,900
played once and everyone pretty much

2173
01:37:54,100 --> 01:37:50,330
agrees that whatever that is it's saying

2174
01:37:55,420 --> 01:37:54,110
this and then it sort of degrades from

2175
01:37:56,580 --> 01:37:55,430
there all the way down to a Class C

2176
01:37:58,410 --> 01:37:56,590
where

2177
01:38:00,660 --> 01:37:58,420
you know it's anybody's guess you can

2178
01:38:02,729 --> 01:38:00,670
hear you know some semblance of a voice

2179
01:38:05,370 --> 01:38:02,739
but it's the actual syllables trying to

2180
01:38:07,859 --> 01:38:05,380
figure out what it's saying is open to

2181
01:38:09,330 --> 01:38:07,869
interpretation Class A EVPs like the

2182
01:38:12,570 --> 01:38:09,340
blue and the gold could catch the light

2183
01:38:14,129 --> 01:38:12,580
in maggots there's no doubt you play

2184
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:14,139
that for a person and we will have these

2185
01:38:19,229 --> 01:38:15,610
up on the para Castform

2186
01:38:20,490 --> 01:38:19,239
website too for people to to play with

2187
01:38:24,359 --> 01:38:20,500
them a little bit listen to them over

2188
01:38:25,740 --> 01:38:24,369
and over for me generally if it if I can

2189
01:38:28,530 --> 01:38:25,750
hear it and understand it in the first

2190
01:38:31,050 --> 01:38:28,540
pass that to me is a really good quality

2191
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:31,060
EVP if I have to listen to it a couple

2192
01:38:36,270 --> 01:38:33,730
of three times to pick up what it says

2193
01:38:38,700 --> 01:38:36,280
then it's it's not as impressive to me

2194
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:38,710
and I think a lot of EVPs that you see

2195
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,679
on television shows aren't real good

2196
01:38:46,410 --> 01:38:44,320
Class A EVPs so that I think that that's

2197
01:38:49,649 --> 01:38:46,420
sort of painted a picture in the mind of

2198
01:38:52,620 --> 01:38:49,659
the public to some degree that EVP is

2199
01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:52,630
very subjective and and I think a good

2200
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:54,340
deal of it is but Michael do you want to

2201
01:38:57,629 --> 01:38:55,360
chime in on this

2202
01:38:59,129 --> 01:38:57,639
I mean you've you've been able to pull

2203
01:39:03,330 --> 01:38:59,139
some out that that I couldn't possibly

2204
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:03,340
hear and yet I see other people that

2205
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:04,810
listen to it and they can pick up what

2206
01:39:10,459 --> 01:39:06,489
you're picking up where does the

2207
01:39:15,209 --> 01:39:10,469
subjective and objective areas sort of

2208
01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:15,219
separate well one of the things you have

2209
01:39:20,580 --> 01:39:17,860
to realize is that our normal hearing of

2210
01:39:24,089 --> 01:39:20,590
normal young healthy individuals

2211
01:39:28,050 --> 01:39:24,099
somewhere between 17 to 20 Hertz to 20

2212
01:39:30,300 --> 01:39:28,060
kilohertz and doesn't mean that we're

2213
01:39:33,450 --> 01:39:30,310
not experiencing frequencies that are

2214
01:39:35,550 --> 01:39:33,460
happening above and below that I mean

2215
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:35,560
the whole of a Grammy cast who was an

2216
01:39:43,140 --> 01:39:39,040
EVP researcher in the 50s from England

2217
01:39:45,149 --> 01:39:43,150
was actually his job what he did was he

2218
01:39:47,430 --> 01:39:45,159
built and provided people with hearing

2219
01:39:50,339 --> 01:39:47,440
aids I mean that's what he did for a

2220
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,349
living so listening and hearing is is a

2221
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:52,239
very big part of this whole phenomena

2222
01:39:58,109 --> 01:39:56,110
you know is there a cut-off point well

2223
01:39:59,580 --> 01:39:58,119
no not necessarily I mean believe it or

2224
01:40:01,140 --> 01:39:59,590
not when you play something on the radio

2225
01:40:03,660 --> 01:40:01,150
that you think people can't hear on the

2226
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:03,670
radio they'll be quite a few people

2227
01:40:08,459 --> 01:40:06,130
actually can hear it on the radio just

2228
01:40:10,710 --> 01:40:08,469
because it may be difficult for you to

2229
01:40:13,210 --> 01:40:10,720
hear now

2230
01:40:15,310 --> 01:40:13,220
with a set of three the first one is a

2231
01:40:17,650 --> 01:40:15,320
little bit weaker but the second one and

2232
01:40:19,530 --> 01:40:17,660
the third one the female are a little

2233
01:40:22,930 --> 01:40:19,540
stronger a little more clear and

2234
01:40:27,700 --> 01:40:22,940
basically it's the spirit I believe it's

2235
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:27,710
spirits ability to know how effectively

2236
01:40:33,130 --> 01:40:30,320
they can manipulate an energy and how

2237
01:40:36,190 --> 01:40:33,140
much strength they can put behind it

2238
01:40:39,580 --> 01:40:36,200
because one of the the postulates that

2239
01:40:44,610 --> 01:40:39,590
I've developed over the years was based

2240
01:40:47,770 --> 01:40:44,620
on sonic boom microburst theory is

2241
01:40:50,410 --> 01:40:47,780
basically when something is traveling

2242
01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:50,420
faster than the speed of sound it

2243
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:52,730
creates a sonic boom in other words the

2244
01:40:58,030 --> 01:40:55,370
atmosphere in the front of it cuts up

2245
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:58,040
and smacks behind it because it's

2246
01:41:03,250 --> 01:41:00,080
traveling faster than the atmospheric

2247
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:03,260
particles of the wave and that's what

2248
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:06,050
creates a sonic boom now on a

2249
01:41:10,330 --> 01:41:07,040
micro-level

2250
01:41:12,430 --> 01:41:10,340
or a microburst a good example of it is

2251
01:41:17,260 --> 01:41:12,440
cracking of a whip the tip of the whip

2252
01:41:18,820 --> 01:41:17,270
or create a snap because the tip of the

2253
01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:18,830
whip is traveling faster than the speed

2254
01:41:22,750 --> 01:41:20,510
of sound and that's how you get the

2255
01:41:25,210 --> 01:41:22,760
crack of the whip because it creates

2256
01:41:27,660 --> 01:41:25,220
what they call microburst now in a lot

2257
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:27,670
of recordings of EVP that we've captured

2258
01:41:33,850 --> 01:41:31,520
just before a very clear a very good EVP

2259
01:41:36,700 --> 01:41:33,860
you're kind of a whip sound or snap or

2260
01:41:39,820 --> 01:41:36,710
pop unexplainable it's not been there

2261
01:41:42,690 --> 01:41:39,830
and the idea that I've been developing

2262
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:42,700
is that the spirit has been able to

2263
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:46,010
manipulate the energy of the atmospheric

2264
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:47,930
particles that the actual molecules

2265
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:50,690
themself are traveling faster than the

2266
01:41:56,230 --> 01:41:53,690
speed of sound in this microcosmic world

2267
01:41:58,750 --> 01:41:56,240
and actually create what they call Micro

2268
01:42:02,080 --> 01:41:58,760
bursts and that's what we pick up just

2269
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:02,090
before a good EVP a really clear EVP not

2270
01:42:06,100 --> 01:42:03,890
every time of course but in many times

2271
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:06,110
we do and you hadn't told me that one

2272
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:09,110
yet Michael I like that and has some I

2273
01:42:12,940 --> 01:42:11,420
think potential in terms of explaining

2274
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,950
she do here

2275
01:42:16,450 --> 01:42:14,480
it sounds like static discharges

2276
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:16,460
occasionally before he bp's crackling

2277
01:42:23,500 --> 01:42:21,050
crackling wasn't you set up an

2278
01:42:26,620 --> 01:42:23,510
set of EVPs here I think we have a few

2279
01:42:29,709 --> 01:42:26,630
more how about the next step let's do

2280
01:42:32,049 --> 01:42:29,719
this before we do the break for taking

2281
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:32,059
us to the third hour of the show so send

2282
01:42:36,910 --> 01:42:34,489
up this next group of recordings okay

2283
01:42:41,379 --> 01:42:36,920
these are the recordings from Luann's

2284
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:41,389
farm blue and she had a farm that used

2285
01:42:50,649 --> 01:42:45,920
to be a Potawatomi village and during

2286
01:42:52,330 --> 01:42:50,659
the trail of blood they moved all the

2287
01:42:55,180 --> 01:42:52,340
potable water moves out and move them

2288
01:42:58,990 --> 01:42:55,190
over to Kansas so they literally walked

2289
01:43:01,899 --> 01:42:59,000
them from Northwest Indiana to pretty

2290
01:43:03,729 --> 01:43:01,909
much where assets in Kansas is believe

2291
01:43:05,799 --> 01:43:03,739
it or not our Fort Knox right around

2292
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:05,809
that area and many of them died well

2293
01:43:12,660 --> 01:43:09,679
ëthis village a group of the warriors

2294
01:43:16,419 --> 01:43:12,670
the hunters were out hunting and weren't

2295
01:43:18,399 --> 01:43:16,429
there when their village got caught so

2296
01:43:20,979 --> 01:43:18,409
they went to try and rescue them and

2297
01:43:23,140 --> 01:43:20,989
they've gotten some of their village

2298
01:43:26,290 --> 01:43:23,150
people and they were able to come back

2299
01:43:30,089 --> 01:43:26,300
to the village they rescued them

2300
01:43:34,359 --> 01:43:30,099
basically and Indiana sent in the army

2301
01:43:36,250 --> 01:43:34,369
and there was a small house right with

2302
01:43:41,799 --> 01:43:36,260
the barn set with the old lady and a

2303
01:43:43,870 --> 01:43:41,809
white boy that lived there and the

2304
01:43:46,209 --> 01:43:43,880
soldiers thought the quick work to take

2305
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:46,219
care take care of the Potawatomi Indians

2306
01:43:52,660 --> 01:43:49,010
where they put up a fierce battle and

2307
01:43:57,250 --> 01:43:52,670
actually set the the little cabin on

2308
01:43:59,410 --> 01:43:57,260
fire and burnt the lady and the child

2309
01:44:03,270 --> 01:43:59,420
alive in the cabin where the barn sets

2310
01:44:06,100 --> 01:44:03,280
and the Indians were all killed and

2311
01:44:08,350 --> 01:44:06,110
there are since her property it's so to

2312
01:44:10,780 --> 01:44:08,360
speak I'll tell you what neighbors were

2313
01:44:14,740 --> 01:44:10,790
out of time for this session but we will

2314
01:44:16,569 --> 01:44:14,750
get into all of this play those

2315
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:16,579
recordings at the beginning of the next

2316
01:44:20,919 --> 01:44:18,800
hour because for those listening to the

2317
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:20,929
live broadcast of the show this week's

2318
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:22,489
episode of the power cast will be a news

2319
01:44:28,089 --> 01:44:25,040
break and then we'll get into the final

2320
01:44:30,100 --> 01:44:28,099
hour we have Michael Esposito EVP expert

2321
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:30,110
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

2322
01:44:42,209 --> 01:44:39,560
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2339
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2340
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2341
01:45:21,330 --> 01:45:19,480
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2342
01:45:22,799 --> 01:45:21,340
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2343
01:45:24,419 --> 01:45:22,809
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2344
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:24,429
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2345
01:45:27,330 --> 01:45:25,570
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2346
01:45:28,379 --> 01:45:27,340
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2347
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:28,389
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2348
01:45:33,750 --> 01:45:30,489
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2349
01:45:36,839 --> 01:45:33,760
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2350
01:45:45,689 --> 01:45:36,849
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2351
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:45,699
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

2352
01:45:50,970 --> 01:45:47,679
the pear cast the gold standard of

2353
01:46:02,660 --> 01:45:50,980
paranormal radio and now here's Jean

2354
01:46:06,300 --> 01:46:04,680
those of you who listened to the first

2355
01:46:09,150 --> 01:46:06,310
two hours of the show you must be aware

2356
01:46:11,070 --> 01:46:09,160
that we don't have the benefit of

2357
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:11,080
Nicholas Redfern providing a laughter

2358
01:46:16,350 --> 01:46:13,690
we're getting closer and closer to the

2359
01:46:18,330 --> 01:46:16,360
Halloween season though so this show was

2360
01:46:21,660 --> 01:46:18,340
appropriate Michael Esposito talking

2361
01:46:23,670 --> 01:46:21,670
about EVP he's about to play another set

2362
01:46:25,890 --> 01:46:23,680
of segments another set of voices for

2363
01:46:27,900 --> 01:46:25,900
you to listen to I'm gene Steinberg

2364
01:46:30,630 --> 01:46:27,910
Chris O'Brien's the co-host er in the

2365
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:30,640
power cast and now Michael would you

2366
01:46:34,980 --> 01:46:32,890
tell us which recordings were going to

2367
01:46:38,910 --> 01:46:34,990
hear now yeah there are several

2368
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:38,920
recordings there some of them are in

2369
01:46:45,930 --> 01:46:41,920
English and there are some of them that

2370
01:46:50,450 --> 01:46:45,940
have been through historical department

2371
01:46:52,530 --> 01:46:50,460
in Indiana have been deemed Potawatomi

2372
01:46:56,700 --> 01:46:52,540
Potawatomi you got to realize is a

2373
01:46:59,460 --> 01:46:56,710
language that isn't actually spoken now

2374
01:47:03,290 --> 01:46:59,470
it was pretty much antiquated because

2375
01:47:06,180 --> 01:47:03,300
the Potawatomi were all but killed off

2376
01:47:09,480 --> 01:47:06,190
they there are still bits and pieces of

2377
01:47:12,060 --> 01:47:09,490
it that are known and it can be thumb

2378
01:47:14,370 --> 01:47:12,070
together so some of the voices are

2379
01:47:17,420 --> 01:47:14,380
marked unknown they are Potawatomi in

2380
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:17,430
origin but only partial meaning had been

2381
01:47:24,060 --> 01:47:21,280
derived from from some of the historians

2382
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:24,070
that we took them to and some of the

2383
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:27,010
EVPs you'll find there are in English I

2384
01:47:32,610 --> 01:47:28,870
think the bulk of the EVPs are left or

2385
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:32,620
are all from that particular location

2386
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:35,290
okay so we have number three a and three

2387
01:47:39,180 --> 01:47:37,570
b right put some of the Potawatomi ones

2388
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:39,190
up on the website once the shows there

2389
01:47:47,940 --> 01:47:41,890
okay let's hear 3a and 3b from the

2390
01:48:05,459 --> 01:47:57,740
[Music]

2391
01:48:12,729 --> 01:48:09,250
okay the last one fits into the

2392
01:48:14,529 --> 01:48:12,739
gibberish section they're not speaking

2393
01:48:16,810 --> 01:48:14,539
backwards you know you know in the old

2394
01:48:18,699 --> 01:48:16,820
days in all the old movie serials I

2395
01:48:21,099 --> 01:48:18,709
remember the old Flash Gordon movie

2396
01:48:22,899 --> 01:48:21,109
serials they used to play on TV but they

2397
01:48:25,089 --> 01:48:22,909
were originally done back in the 1930s

2398
01:48:26,679 --> 01:48:25,099
they weren't so creative about creating

2399
01:48:28,869 --> 01:48:26,689
fake languages you didn't have a faux

2400
01:48:30,849 --> 01:48:28,879
Klingon language then you just played

2401
01:48:34,779 --> 01:48:30,859
everything backwards but these in the

2402
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:34,789
pits right exactly or listening to the

2403
01:48:40,179 --> 01:48:38,449
to the tail end of an old Beatles record

2404
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:40,189
but it wasn't that it sounded like

2405
01:48:43,509 --> 01:48:41,780
someone speaking in some sort of

2406
01:48:46,060 --> 01:48:43,519
language right and will have a whole

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01:48:47,649 --> 01:48:46,070
bunch of the Pottawattamie x' examples

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01:48:50,619 --> 01:48:47,659
of Potawatomi up on the website there

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01:48:53,759 --> 01:48:50,629
when we go ahead and put up a thread for

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01:48:56,739 --> 01:48:53,769
this particular episode so so Michael

2411
01:48:59,770 --> 01:48:56,749
you've got these EVPs there now that you

2412
01:49:01,899 --> 01:48:59,780
took these examples - where'd you say

2413
01:49:04,119 --> 01:49:01,909
the University of Indiana and and you

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01:49:05,739 --> 01:49:04,129
took up - which department there and and

2415
01:49:09,339 --> 01:49:05,749
what did they think what was their

2416
01:49:12,219 --> 01:49:09,349
response to this the EVPs were deemed an

2417
01:49:14,500 --> 01:49:12,229
Indian language are quite possibly

2418
01:49:15,849 --> 01:49:14,510
Potawatomi in origin but they weren't

2419
01:49:18,369 --> 01:49:15,859
able to give me any kind of full

2420
01:49:21,129 --> 01:49:18,379
definitions on what they were saying

2421
01:49:23,619 --> 01:49:21,139
maybe full translations okay what is

2422
01:49:26,469 --> 01:49:23,629
some of the other locations that you've

2423
01:49:28,989 --> 01:49:26,479
been to that have produced Class A EVPs

2424
01:49:31,239 --> 01:49:28,999
that that you're impressed by different

2425
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:31,249
foreign languages always I just got done

2426
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:35,570
with I went to Montreal we did a thing

2427
01:49:42,549 --> 01:49:38,570
called ghost of fake vacant lots for

2428
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:42,559
oral records out of Montreal and I'm the

2429
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:44,570
vacant lots like captured voices in

2430
01:49:50,349 --> 01:49:47,689
English in French of unknown or Chand

2431
01:49:52,779 --> 01:49:50,359
which I had to have so my French is

2432
01:49:56,649 --> 01:49:52,789
really rusty but I had some my friends

2433
01:49:58,929 --> 01:49:56,659
there translate the French for me and in

2434
01:50:02,020 --> 01:49:58,939
Sweden I was able to capture voices in

2435
01:50:04,419 --> 01:50:02,030
Swedish as well as English it's neat

2436
01:50:05,979 --> 01:50:04,429
because you know

2437
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:05,989
if you're not understanding it but you

2438
01:50:08,939 --> 01:50:07,370
hear that there's something there and

2439
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:08,949
somebody else can translate to a

2440
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:12,800
meaningful statement that what you're

2441
01:50:17,169 --> 01:50:15,770
getting there has some greater authentic

2442
01:50:20,050 --> 01:50:17,179
quality it's now something you're

2443
01:50:22,330 --> 01:50:20,060
reading into obviously you know audio

2444
01:50:24,850 --> 01:50:22,340
Rorschach or parody Leah it doesn't work

2445
01:50:26,590 --> 01:50:24,860
in foreign languages oh yeah I thought I

2446
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:26,600
heard that in Swedish I might have been

2447
01:50:31,290 --> 01:50:29,600
mistaken you know you know you know

2448
01:50:33,790 --> 01:50:31,300
people don't realize that parody a

2449
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:33,800
comeback from when we were cavemen and

2450
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:36,290
we had a recognized game or predators

2451
01:50:41,470 --> 01:50:39,110
that were out to get us in an instant so

2452
01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:41,480
we'd be scanning across the grassland we

2453
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:44,060
think we see a tiger or whatever you

2454
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:46,010
know if we took a double take and look

2455
01:50:50,979 --> 01:50:48,290
back at it we see that it wasn't a tiger

2456
01:50:53,410 --> 01:50:50,989
at all it was just a bush in in the

2457
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:53,420
difference to audio Rorschach or of

2458
01:50:59,770 --> 01:50:56,960
audio parody uh you can replay that over

2459
01:51:02,020 --> 01:50:59,780
and over and over and over again you can

2460
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:02,030
you know listen for the vocal qualities

2461
01:51:06,490 --> 01:51:04,610
that make them sound humanistic or

2462
01:51:10,439 --> 01:51:06,500
listen to it to see if it isn't really

2463
01:51:14,500 --> 01:51:10,449
just a sound of a heater whistling or a

2464
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:14,510
clumpy pile of leaves or whatever I mean

2465
01:51:18,010 --> 01:51:16,130
it's something that you can repeat over

2466
01:51:20,260 --> 01:51:18,020
and over again and if you keep repeating

2467
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:20,270
it it still sounds like a human voice

2468
01:51:28,180 --> 01:51:26,000
then by definition of parody it can't

2469
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:28,190
exist as that well what do you what do

2470
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:30,290
you say to some of the skeptics who say

2471
01:51:35,620 --> 01:51:33,650
all a lot of this is just a frequency

2472
01:51:38,590 --> 01:51:35,630
radio crosstalk that what you're hearing

2473
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,600
is faint transmissions that have somehow

2474
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:40,480
bleeding over into the recording and

2475
01:51:48,700 --> 01:51:44,239
this is just simply you know AM radio or

2476
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:48,710
some sort of shortwave radio I've often

2477
01:51:53,140 --> 01:51:51,110
in the early days and I was playing in

2478
01:51:55,300 --> 01:51:53,150
New York City and what somebody would

2479
01:51:56,919 --> 01:51:55,310
have a wireless microphone occasionally

2480
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:56,929
right in the middle of the show you hear

2481
01:52:06,459 --> 01:51:59,840
some Pakistani guy answering you know

2482
01:52:08,410 --> 01:52:06,469
the ambulance or exactly that does

2483
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:08,420
happen occasionally but but what is your

2484
01:52:11,770 --> 01:52:10,159
answer to you that's so much you know

2485
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:11,780
actually it's just the advent of cell

2486
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:13,370
phone towers you don't get that much

2487
01:52:17,620 --> 01:52:16,250
because the way that the TV

2488
01:52:19,390 --> 01:52:17,630
transmissions or the emergence

2489
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:19,400
see radio transmissions would travel

2490
01:52:23,980 --> 01:52:21,920
seemed that we soaked up quite a bit by

2491
01:52:28,060 --> 01:52:23,990
the cellphone transmission cell phone

2492
01:52:33,070 --> 01:52:28,070
towers but apart from that it's amazing

2493
01:52:35,770 --> 01:52:33,080
to be able to get ambulance or emergency

2494
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:35,780
vehicle transmissions or even truckers

2495
01:52:39,190 --> 01:52:37,970
on CB radios that actually answer the

2496
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:39,200
questions you're asking

2497
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:42,170
so I suppose one of the best arguments

2498
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:43,970
against that is is when they were

2499
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:46,130
answering the questions you're asking

2500
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:48,650
then it's hard to say well that could

2501
01:52:53,230 --> 01:52:50,510
have been a radio transmission that just

2502
01:52:54,730 --> 01:52:53,240
happened - oh I was talking about so the

2503
01:52:57,100 --> 01:52:54,740
radio transmission happened to be

2504
01:52:59,620 --> 01:52:57,110
reading your mind you know we're talking

2505
01:53:01,630 --> 01:52:59,630
about a specific topic and providing the

2506
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:01,640
right answer and you're not basically

2507
01:53:05,290 --> 01:53:03,170
listening to a transmission something

2508
01:53:07,180 --> 01:53:05,300
like somebody in the old days they get a

2509
01:53:09,580 --> 01:53:07,190
gold tooth and that tooth would become a

2510
01:53:13,810 --> 01:53:09,590
radio exactly that's why we're the

2511
01:53:15,310 --> 01:53:13,820
tinfoil hats you know the aluminum foil

2512
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:15,320
hats we always make them before you go

2513
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:27,290
out call the lend balloon sound you know

2514
01:53:31,540 --> 01:53:29,690
what's funny about tin foil hats is most

2515
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,550
people you know think that they keep

2516
01:53:36,220 --> 01:53:33,440
signals away but actually I've heard a a

2517
01:53:37,570 --> 01:53:36,230
theory that they actually amplified the

2518
01:53:40,690 --> 01:53:37,580
theory and make it bounce around in your

2519
01:53:42,220 --> 01:53:40,700
head more so some of your tin foil how

2520
01:53:45,580 --> 01:53:42,230
it wears out there be

2521
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:45,590
we'd be afraid be very pretty I just

2522
01:53:54,690 --> 01:53:47,360
think I've guessed my next Halloween

2523
01:54:04,420 --> 01:53:57,520
in costume for this year what do people

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01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:04,430
go out as you know what's-his-name from

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01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:08,690
Iran I'll go as Ahmed in azad actually

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01:54:12,820 --> 01:54:10,850
the most kids can't even say it so is it

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01:54:14,890 --> 01:54:12,830
worry you need one of those signs hi my

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01:54:20,020 --> 01:54:14,900
name is aqua Chand inna muchacha

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01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:20,030
I went as Bill Clinton and my girlfriend

2530
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:21,650
one is Monica and a blue jet so the

2531
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:27,110
nasty stain down the front and of course

2532
01:54:30,850 --> 01:54:28,730
then the Secret Service came over and

2533
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:30,860
they had a conversation with you Chris

2534
01:54:33,970 --> 01:54:31,370
because

2535
01:54:36,190 --> 01:54:33,980
your predilection for paranormal

2536
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:36,200
research they said oh you're a lunatic

2537
01:54:41,020 --> 01:54:38,960
you're insulting when was this when did

2538
01:54:45,220 --> 01:54:41,030
you wear that costume I think that was

2539
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:45,230
about 2000 or maybe - yeah Christmas

2540
01:54:50,350 --> 01:54:48,080
2000 my also was smokiness you know had

2541
01:54:56,590 --> 01:54:50,360
a unlit cigar and I was calling Monica

2542
01:54:58,810 --> 01:54:56,600
my little humidor I know that we try to

2543
01:55:02,110 --> 01:54:58,820
avoid political commentary on the power

2544
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:02,120
cast unfortunately it doesn't happen

2545
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:04,790
very often and when it does we tried to

2546
01:55:10,210 --> 01:55:07,850
exit that discussion as carefully as we

2547
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:10,220
can sometimes we do it clumsily

2548
01:55:16,390 --> 01:55:13,130
sometimes not all right

2549
01:55:19,270 --> 01:55:16,400
I say that again I feel your pain I feel

2550
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:19,280
pain when I try to think whether that

2551
01:55:23,980 --> 01:55:21,440
imitation is good or not and I feel a

2552
01:55:26,020 --> 01:55:23,990
lot of pain seriously speaking michael

2553
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:26,030
esposito joining us this week as we

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start losing our minds on the power cast

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we have Chris O'Brien as the co-host I'm

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they built a chart to Michael are you

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02:00:32,339 --> 02:00:29,619
ready you're ready for this

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02:00:34,770 --> 02:00:32,349
michael esposito appears here to talk

2672
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:34,780
about EVP Chris O'Brien's a co-host I'm

2673
02:00:39,149 --> 02:00:36,729
gene steinberger in the para cast and

2674
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:39,159
Chris now is going to regale us with

2675
02:00:47,699 --> 02:00:44,530
another imitation that was a former

2676
02:00:50,489 --> 02:00:47,709
co-host trying to be the trickster was

2677
02:00:53,489 --> 02:00:50,499
what was that the horse's name that went

2678
02:00:54,839 --> 02:00:53,499
on or actually the cattle what was that

2679
02:00:57,330 --> 02:00:54,849
thing you know what I think when you do

2680
02:00:59,520 --> 02:00:57,340
that laugh when you do that laugh I was

2681
02:01:02,489 --> 02:00:59,530
thinking of the movie Young Frankenstein

2682
02:01:07,770 --> 02:01:02,499
oh man teach me Cloris Leachman plays

2683
02:01:10,620 --> 02:01:07,780
his character Frau Blucher oh yeah she's

2684
02:01:12,959 --> 02:01:10,630
a sweetie I actually did a sound for her

2685
02:01:15,029 --> 02:01:12,969
at a show here in Sedona that was quite

2686
02:01:16,949 --> 02:01:15,039
fun she's really an amazing lady

2687
02:01:20,459 --> 02:01:16,959
so anyway getting back to our subject

2688
02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:20,469
Michael uh ghost hunting just in general

2689
02:01:24,629 --> 02:01:23,170
we've got a lot of weekend warriors out

2690
02:01:27,089 --> 02:01:24,639
there now with the popularity of all

2691
02:01:29,669 --> 02:01:27,099
these shows ghost hunters you know

2692
02:01:32,910 --> 02:01:29,679
Paranormal State I mean just as it seems

2693
02:01:37,080 --> 02:01:32,920
like every night there's a ghost themed

2694
02:01:39,060 --> 02:01:37,090
reality show on what do you think this

2695
02:01:42,029 --> 02:01:39,070
is a good thing that we have a lot of

2696
02:01:44,790 --> 02:01:42,039
people that are inspired by these shows

2697
02:01:48,390 --> 02:01:44,800
to go out and do their own you know

2698
02:01:49,620 --> 02:01:48,400
ghost hunting investigations or do you

2699
02:01:51,629 --> 02:01:49,630
feel that this is actually kind of

2700
02:01:53,339 --> 02:01:51,639
muddying up the investigative waters I

2701
02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:53,349
know you've been doing this for many

2702
02:01:55,979 --> 02:01:54,130
years

2703
02:01:58,859 --> 02:01:55,989
you're very methodical when you go out

2704
02:01:59,720 --> 02:01:58,869
into the field you have a lot of gear

2705
02:02:02,450 --> 02:01:59,730
and you know how to

2706
02:02:04,729 --> 02:02:02,460
it don't you give us an idea of how you

2707
02:02:08,330 --> 02:02:04,739
think first of all that that's new trend

2708
02:02:10,850 --> 02:02:08,340
is is impact in the field and then give

2709
02:02:12,410 --> 02:02:10,860
us some ideas of some of the real

2710
02:02:14,479 --> 02:02:12,420
groundbreaking techniques that you're

2711
02:02:17,390 --> 02:02:14,489
taking out into the field it's kind of a

2712
02:02:19,729 --> 02:02:17,400
two part of there yeah yeah yeah well

2713
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:19,739
first I mean you just let me say it's

2714
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:22,170
like it's like kind of asking a soldier

2715
02:02:27,050 --> 02:02:24,930
or sharing with an army that you know

2716
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:27,060
anything's it's a shame that kids play

2717
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:30,690
with toy soldiers I think you know that

2718
02:02:34,610 --> 02:02:32,400
it's nice to have people who are really

2719
02:02:38,570 --> 02:02:34,620
interested in this and thinking about it

2720
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:38,580
you know as long as when people go out

2721
02:02:43,940 --> 02:02:40,890
they act responsibly you know not

2722
02:02:45,979 --> 02:02:43,950
everybody's looking to handle it

2723
02:02:49,190 --> 02:02:45,989
scientifically not everybody's looking

2724
02:02:51,200 --> 02:02:49,200
to hopefully document research that

2725
02:02:53,780 --> 02:02:51,210
maybe someone down the line will be able

2726
02:02:56,030 --> 02:02:53,790
to use and actually come up with answers

2727
02:02:58,640 --> 02:02:56,040
or you know based on some of the

2728
02:03:00,710 --> 02:02:58,650
research you've done and in generations

2729
02:03:02,030 --> 02:03:00,720
down the road but it's nice that that

2730
02:03:03,950 --> 02:03:02,040
they have interested it it's nice that

2731
02:03:05,570 --> 02:03:03,960
they're thinking about it as long as

2732
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:05,580
they act responsibly when that go out

2733
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:07,410
and do it you know there are some

2734
02:03:12,260 --> 02:03:10,410
powerful things out there so you know as

2735
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:12,270
long as they act mature and responsible

2736
02:03:17,660 --> 02:03:14,370
when they're worth doing their

2737
02:03:19,130 --> 02:03:17,670
investigations some of the different

2738
02:03:21,380 --> 02:03:19,140
types of experiments that's of the

2739
02:03:24,770 --> 02:03:21,390
research that I think is groundbreaking

2740
02:03:26,450 --> 02:03:24,780
some of the things I am looking forward

2741
02:03:29,270 --> 02:03:26,460
to working with that actually I started

2742
02:03:32,290 --> 02:03:29,280
working on and hit upon it a little bit

2743
02:03:35,330 --> 02:03:32,300
is as you mentioned earlier Chris

2744
02:03:37,790 --> 02:03:35,340
offline we were talking about so my

2745
02:03:40,700 --> 02:03:37,800
ideas about working in tuberculosis

2746
02:03:47,210 --> 02:03:40,710
sanitarium and bringing in simple

2747
02:03:52,510 --> 02:03:47,220
lighters and stand-up tragedy comic I

2748
02:03:55,610 --> 02:03:52,520
guess he's a sound or a spoken word poet

2749
02:03:59,510 --> 02:03:55,620
does stand-up tragedy to do a piece

2750
02:04:02,479 --> 02:03:59,520
based on tuberculosis and breathing also

2751
02:04:06,740 --> 02:04:02,489
we mentioned the sound of recorded iron

2752
02:04:09,450 --> 02:04:06,750
lung machines operate yes but also even

2753
02:04:13,510 --> 02:04:09,460
more so I'm more interested in

2754
02:04:16,300 --> 02:04:13,520
Heidi had introduced me to the sound

2755
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:16,310
healing where I actually have books of

2756
02:04:21,580 --> 02:04:19,119
they're very old books of different

2757
02:04:24,810 --> 02:04:21,590
combinations of tonal frequencies to

2758
02:04:28,870 --> 02:04:24,820
heal different types of ailments like

2759
02:04:30,459 --> 02:04:28,880
lungs heart you know gout you know

2760
02:04:33,700 --> 02:04:30,469
whatever you and what they are is they

2761
02:04:35,620 --> 02:04:33,710
base from tuning for healing and their

2762
02:04:40,060 --> 02:04:35,630
different frequencies that if you

2763
02:04:46,689 --> 02:04:40,070
combine into tonal chords would actually

2764
02:04:47,950 --> 02:04:46,699
act as therapy for sleeze ailments so so

2765
02:04:51,129 --> 02:04:47,960
what you're doing is you're provoking

2766
02:04:53,140 --> 02:04:51,139
these dis incarnate energies on one hand

2767
02:04:56,169 --> 02:04:53,150
and then your your going ahead and

2768
02:04:59,680 --> 02:04:56,179
supplying what could possibly be healing

2769
02:05:01,390 --> 02:04:59,690
type tonal frequencies and and harmonic

2770
02:05:03,310 --> 02:05:01,400
intervals between healing frequencies

2771
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:03,320
what is the thinking behind now why

2772
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:04,730
would you want to provoke a ghost for

2773
02:05:08,290 --> 02:05:06,650
instance well we're looking we're

2774
02:05:09,959 --> 02:05:08,300
provoking for a response now there's

2775
02:05:13,450 --> 02:05:09,969
positive and negative reinforcement

2776
02:05:16,930 --> 02:05:13,460
obviously you know and some of like the

2777
02:05:21,629 --> 02:05:16,940
iron lung and the lighter and some of

2778
02:05:24,669 --> 02:05:21,639
the compositions I've created based on

2779
02:05:27,790 --> 02:05:24,679
situational specific frequencies or

2780
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:27,800
period specific frequencies were worse

2781
02:05:36,819 --> 02:05:32,960
sometimes negatively slanted to produce

2782
02:05:39,540 --> 02:05:36,829
a reaction to produce a energy if you

2783
02:05:42,640 --> 02:05:39,550
will and the same with the positive to

2784
02:05:48,459 --> 02:05:42,650
some of the experiments with the healing

2785
02:05:49,990 --> 02:05:48,469
frequencies and stuff like that so the

2786
02:05:52,020 --> 02:05:50,000
thinking would be what if you're

2787
02:05:55,300 --> 02:05:52,030
provoking the ghost you'd get more

2788
02:05:58,060 --> 02:05:55,310
adversarial responses maybe curse words

2789
02:05:59,890 --> 02:05:58,070
that sort of thing and then the exact

2790
02:06:03,040 --> 02:05:59,900
opposite if you're supplying some sort

2791
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:03,050
of positive or healing tony holidays

2792
02:06:06,520 --> 02:06:04,610
into the into the environment then you

2793
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:06,530
would think that you would be getting

2794
02:06:10,510 --> 02:06:08,719
more positive responses have you

2795
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:10,520
actually started doing this type of

2796
02:06:15,220 --> 02:06:13,010
experimental work yet or I know at the

2797
02:06:17,260 --> 02:06:15,230
Sallie house we were working with

2798
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:17,270
dissonant frequencies and tuning ports

2799
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:20,810
have you taken that any further oh yeah

2800
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:23,450
a bit of different types of one of the

2801
02:06:31,570 --> 02:06:28,000
things I've been doing is developing CDs

2802
02:06:34,090 --> 02:06:31,580
with compositions of frequencies that

2803
02:06:36,130 --> 02:06:34,100
would only have been found in the

2804
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:36,140
locations we were recording at we did a

2805
02:06:41,590 --> 02:06:39,050
hospital and it was active in the 70s

2806
02:06:44,650 --> 02:06:41,600
and 80s I literally went through and

2807
02:06:46,210 --> 02:06:44,660
found different types of EKGs and heart

2808
02:06:49,150 --> 02:06:46,220
machines stuff that were used during

2809
02:06:52,050 --> 02:06:49,160
that time period not later models I mean

2810
02:06:54,700 --> 02:06:52,060
the exact same models and clean.the

2811
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:54,710
different frequencies off with the

2812
02:07:00,340 --> 02:06:56,330
sounds of it and then recomposed them

2813
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:00,350
into a composition that I played at this

2814
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:01,730
hospital we got just absolutely

2815
02:07:06,910 --> 02:07:04,490
phenomenal results not very pleasant

2816
02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:06,920
ones not happy ones but nevertheless

2817
02:07:11,380 --> 02:07:10,250
very phenomenal results that's that's

2818
02:07:12,850 --> 02:07:11,390
interesting that's not something a

2819
02:07:14,170 --> 02:07:12,860
weekend warrior I think would come up

2820
02:07:16,660 --> 02:07:14,180
with I think you have to really be out

2821
02:07:18,790 --> 02:07:16,670
there and doing it and really trying all

2822
02:07:21,460 --> 02:07:18,800
sorts of different approaches to come up

2823
02:07:23,050 --> 02:07:21,470
with with some but what I consider to be

2824
02:07:27,100 --> 02:07:23,060
groundbreaking approaches where do you

2825
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:27,110
see this whole field going of course one

2826
02:07:32,170 --> 02:07:29,360
of the the knocks is that the reason why

2827
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:32,180
people are getting EVPs is because they

2828
02:07:36,490 --> 02:07:34,490
use inferior equipment that's one common

2829
02:07:38,530 --> 02:07:36,500
skeptical argument that you know the

2830
02:07:41,320 --> 02:07:38,540
cheap of the recorder the more chance

2831
02:07:43,870 --> 02:07:41,330
you will have of getting EVPs is there a

2832
02:07:46,890 --> 02:07:43,880
way is there the gear out there like the

2833
02:07:49,900 --> 02:07:46,900
spirit calm and the Ovilus and other

2834
02:07:51,490 --> 02:07:49,910
technology that's being devised to to

2835
02:07:53,080 --> 02:07:51,500
assist investigators so once you talk

2836
02:07:54,730 --> 02:07:53,090
about that a little bit I hate to be in

2837
02:07:56,830 --> 02:07:54,740
the cliffhanger person but you know how

2838
02:07:58,630 --> 02:07:56,840
it goes we have to break for a few

2839
02:08:01,330 --> 02:07:58,640
announcements from some friends of the

2840
02:08:02,860 --> 02:08:01,340
show and then we'll be back with a lot

2841
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:02,870
more on this week's episode of the

2842
02:08:08,380 --> 02:08:04,880
podcast and we do welcome your comments

2843
02:08:10,060 --> 02:08:08,390
about those snippets of EVP recordings

2844
02:08:12,700 --> 02:08:10,070
that you heard send your comments to

2845
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:12,710
news at the power cast I've come to use

2846
02:08:16,810 --> 02:08:15,110
at the power cast calm well time the

2847
02:08:20,020 --> 02:08:16,820
equipment in a moment Michael Esposito

2848
02:08:21,460 --> 02:08:20,030
joining us an EVP expert we have the

2849
02:08:23,710 --> 02:08:21,470
cliffhanger of the day which is the

2850
02:08:25,900 --> 02:08:23,720
equipment that one might use in

2851
02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:25,910
capturing some of these sounds Chris

2852
02:08:29,410 --> 02:08:27,890
O'Brien is our co-host and these also

2853
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:29,420
work with Michael and some of these

2854
02:08:43,010 --> 02:08:32,010
investigations I'm gene Steinberg

2855
02:08:45,950 --> 02:08:43,020
in the very cast is there a secret UFO

2856
02:08:48,350 --> 02:08:45,960
agenda to strange creatures from the

2857
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:48,360
darkest corners of the mind roam the

2858
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:50,730
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2950
02:13:07,489 --> 02:13:05,059
understand ladies and gentlemen that the

2951
02:13:09,949 --> 02:13:07,499
sounds that Chris O'Brien utters are the

2952
02:13:12,379 --> 02:13:09,959
result of smoking too much and the voice

2953
02:13:14,449 --> 02:13:12,389
will get deeper and deeper and raspier

2954
02:13:17,299 --> 02:13:14,459
and raspy or as we progressed with this

2955
02:13:19,339 --> 02:13:17,309
episode and those my Halloween boys okay

2956
02:13:21,829 --> 02:13:19,349
Michael Esposito is our guest we're

2957
02:13:24,259 --> 02:13:21,839
talking about EVP I'm gene Steinberg

2958
02:13:26,929 --> 02:13:24,269
we're in the power cast and now Michael

2959
02:13:28,489 --> 02:13:26,939
let's talk about the various equipment

2960
02:13:30,829 --> 02:13:28,499
methodologies that you are going to

2961
02:13:32,449 --> 02:13:30,839
enter into okay well one of the things I

2962
02:13:34,909 --> 02:13:32,459
want to point out right away is that

2963
02:13:36,529 --> 02:13:34,919
quite uncoordinated fury or quality of

2964
02:13:38,750 --> 02:13:36,539
usually especially in recording

2965
02:13:40,639 --> 02:13:38,760
equipment and don't get me wrong my

2966
02:13:44,419 --> 02:13:40,649
dream of recording device would be sound

2967
02:13:46,009 --> 02:13:44,429
devices 744 T field recorder 4 grand I

2968
02:13:48,799 --> 02:13:46,019
would love one of those if anyone wants

2969
02:13:52,459 --> 02:13:48,809
to donate but I have to get in touch

2970
02:13:54,739 --> 02:13:52,469
with us at news if the para cast comm if

2971
02:13:55,729 --> 02:13:54,749
you want to donate this device to

2972
02:13:57,079 --> 02:13:55,739
Michael Esposito

2973
02:13:59,419 --> 02:13:57,089
of course we'd like one for ourselves

2974
02:14:02,589 --> 02:13:59,429
I'd like one Chris and of course our

2975
02:14:05,409 --> 02:14:02,599
other co-hosts yeah they're wonderful a

2976
02:14:08,270 --> 02:14:05,419
lot of times when you buy more expensive

2977
02:14:10,279 --> 02:14:08,280
recorders or middle-range recorders if

2978
02:14:11,719 --> 02:14:10,289
you will a lot of the things that makes

2979
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:11,729
them more expensive is the noise

2980
02:14:16,819 --> 02:14:14,010
reduction but they built into it the

2981
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:16,829
different chipsets and stuff that really

2982
02:14:23,809 --> 02:14:20,159
don't do anything more than then mask or

2983
02:14:25,879 --> 02:14:23,819
reduce the noise so I look for

2984
02:14:27,919 --> 02:14:25,889
sensitivity and equipment anything

2985
02:14:30,109 --> 02:14:27,929
that's got frequency a wide frequency

2986
02:14:33,649 --> 02:14:30,119
range you know I think that's it's

2987
02:14:36,559 --> 02:14:33,659
promoting a frequency range of 5 or 10

2988
02:14:38,750 --> 02:14:36,569
or even 15 Hertz on the low end you know

2989
02:14:39,679 --> 02:14:38,760
is picking up lower than that I mean

2990
02:14:41,659 --> 02:14:39,689
because that's only the dynamic

2991
02:14:44,359 --> 02:14:41,669
frequency range that means it's clearly

2992
02:14:47,179 --> 02:14:44,369
you know frequency range that they can

2993
02:14:49,159 --> 02:14:47,189
easily show it's very clearly picking up

2994
02:14:51,979 --> 02:14:49,169
because a lot of people don't realize

2995
02:14:54,829 --> 02:14:51,989
and something that it should be realized

2996
02:14:57,339 --> 02:14:54,839
is that like it's like looking at a

2997
02:14:59,299 --> 02:14:57,349
spectral view a waveform sound isn't

2998
02:15:00,200 --> 02:14:59,309
poignant I mean you can't say well this

2999
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:00,210
sound is

3000
02:15:06,230 --> 02:15:03,570
from 10 Hertz 20 Hertz or you know

3001
02:15:08,900 --> 02:15:06,240
whatever because it tapers off at the

3002
02:15:11,900 --> 02:15:08,910
ends so sound is one of those things

3003
02:15:17,420 --> 02:15:11,910
that is not a very formative or not a

3004
02:15:19,670 --> 02:15:17,430
very manifest across as frequency yeah

3005
02:15:21,890 --> 02:15:19,680
it's a spectrum it's a spectrum a tapers

3006
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:21,900
off at both ends ladies and gentlemen

3007
02:15:26,990 --> 02:15:23,930
before we continue with Michael Esposito

3008
02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:27,000
we've run into some weird problems every

3009
02:15:32,720 --> 02:15:29,520
time he starred this current train of

3010
02:15:35,030 --> 02:15:32,730
thought we've had to basically start

3011
02:15:36,860 --> 02:15:35,040
over again because his voice would

3012
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:36,870
basically fade out for several words

3013
02:15:42,500 --> 02:15:39,840
like maybe we're getting an inverse form

3014
02:15:45,260 --> 02:15:42,510
of EVPs so try it one more time Michael

3015
02:15:48,380 --> 02:15:45,270
Audio anomaly what I was trying to say

3016
02:15:52,780 --> 02:15:48,390
is that just because we buy a recorder

3017
02:15:55,490 --> 02:15:52,790
that has a dynamic range of say 25 Hertz

3018
02:15:59,000 --> 02:15:55,500
because we have we buy a recorder that

3019
02:16:01,760 --> 02:15:59,010
has a range of 20 Hertz to 20 kilohertz

3020
02:16:03,770 --> 02:16:01,770
per se doesn't mean it's not recording

3021
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:03,780
ranges that are below or above those

3022
02:16:09,860 --> 02:16:06,690
ranges it's picking up everything that

3023
02:16:12,380 --> 02:16:09,870
is getting possibly pick up and compress

3024
02:16:14,900 --> 02:16:12,390
the dynamic range is what's posted on

3025
02:16:17,120 --> 02:16:14,910
the side of the box so I look for things

3026
02:16:18,980 --> 02:16:17,130
that you know extend that dynamic range

3027
02:16:21,980 --> 02:16:18,990
as far as possible knowing full well

3028
02:16:24,820 --> 02:16:21,990
that we are picking up a lot more

3029
02:16:28,820 --> 02:16:24,830
frequencies than you know they advertise

3030
02:16:30,500 --> 02:16:28,830
so where I look for recorders I don't

3031
02:16:32,870 --> 02:16:30,510
necessarily look for something that's

3032
02:16:34,129 --> 02:16:32,880
considered high-end because I know what

3033
02:16:39,370 --> 02:16:34,139
they're looking to do in a higher-end

3034
02:16:43,250 --> 02:16:39,380
recorder is mask it or put sound

3035
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:43,260
dampening chipsets in there for a noise

3036
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:45,690
reduction what I'm looking for is I want

3037
02:16:51,470 --> 02:16:47,840
that noise now remember I'm an anti

3038
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:51,480
sound engineer so I want anti sound

3039
02:16:56,060 --> 02:16:54,090
engineer equipment in other words just

3040
02:16:59,209 --> 02:16:56,070
because some people call it cheaper

3041
02:17:00,800 --> 02:16:59,219
doesn't mean it is to us you know that

3042
02:17:02,209 --> 02:17:00,810
those are actually I want something

3043
02:17:04,129 --> 02:17:02,219
that's going to pick up all that hiss

3044
02:17:05,540 --> 02:17:04,139
and not wipe it out

3045
02:17:08,450 --> 02:17:05,550
I want something it's going to pick up

3046
02:17:10,030 --> 02:17:08,460
exactly what it hears I don't want you

3047
02:17:13,280 --> 02:17:10,040
know the highest and noise reduction

3048
02:17:14,690 --> 02:17:13,290
bows you know whatever I won't even

3049
02:17:17,140 --> 02:17:14,700
touch Bo's equipment because they're

3050
02:17:19,879 --> 02:17:17,150
built on the concept of noise reduction

3051
02:17:22,010 --> 02:17:19,889
you know and they put that in the

3052
02:17:26,540 --> 02:17:22,020
filters into the chipsets there that are

3053
02:17:29,060 --> 02:17:26,550
de-essing and and noise reduction right

3054
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:29,070
built into the chipsets that's exactly

3055
02:17:34,910 --> 02:17:32,639
what I don't want you know so that's an

3056
02:17:38,540 --> 02:17:34,920
interesting theory about whether or not

3057
02:17:41,720 --> 02:17:38,550
some people make the claim that we just

3058
02:17:44,570 --> 02:17:41,730
used cheap equipment because to us

3059
02:17:46,700 --> 02:17:44,580
that's what we want we don't want what

3060
02:17:49,160 --> 02:17:46,710
they call a high-end equipment it's a

3061
02:17:51,919 --> 02:17:49,170
misnomer because all it is is noise

3062
02:17:54,620 --> 02:17:51,929
reduction and altering the signal that's

3063
02:17:57,650 --> 02:17:54,630
receiving to me that's cheating you know

3064
02:17:59,209 --> 02:17:57,660
to me that's cheap equipment it's an

3065
02:18:00,799 --> 02:17:59,219
interesting perspective how about how

3066
02:18:03,740 --> 02:18:00,809
about developments in the field in terms

3067
02:18:05,299 --> 02:18:03,750
of gear that's come out I know some of

3068
02:18:08,060 --> 02:18:05,309
it's been a little controversial in

3069
02:18:11,120 --> 02:18:08,070
terms of its effectiveness and whether

3070
02:18:13,700 --> 02:18:11,130
it's it's valid technology but once you

3071
02:18:17,540 --> 02:18:13,710
give us an idea of some of the you know

3072
02:18:20,900 --> 02:18:17,550
the gear that's out there that the shack

3073
02:18:23,150 --> 02:18:20,910
acts and the different radio scanners

3074
02:18:24,740 --> 02:18:23,160
that'll scan through the the radio since

3075
02:18:27,290 --> 02:18:24,750
I've used a lot of different ones like

3076
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:27,300
continued experiment with them they hold

3077
02:18:33,140 --> 02:18:31,050
a particular fascination for me because

3078
02:18:35,360 --> 02:18:33,150
they're a way of modifying the

3079
02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:35,370
environment basically in my research

3080
02:18:40,850 --> 02:18:37,170
I've come to the conclusion early on

3081
02:18:45,049 --> 02:18:40,860
that you can affect with an AF Act three

3082
02:18:48,260 --> 02:18:45,059
different aspects of our research ones

3083
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:48,270
you can affect the researcher in other

3084
02:18:51,680 --> 02:18:49,679
words when you go into recording

3085
02:18:53,720 --> 02:18:51,690
particularly attitude you walk in there

3086
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:53,730
with or the expectation as you walk in

3087
02:18:58,310 --> 02:18:55,889
there with whether or not you slept if

3088
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:58,320
you're on drugs what-have-you

3089
02:19:03,230 --> 02:19:01,679
the second aspect you can affect is the

3090
02:19:05,270 --> 02:19:03,240
entity in other words you can try and

3091
02:19:07,700 --> 02:19:05,280
provoke it in different ways and try and

3092
02:19:09,560 --> 02:19:07,710
get a response out of the entity and the

3093
02:19:11,690 --> 02:19:09,570
third thing you can affect is the

3094
02:19:14,030 --> 02:19:11,700
environment and when you act the

3095
02:19:17,480 --> 02:19:14,040
environment you're adding frequencies or

3096
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:17,490
different types of sounds or frequency

3097
02:19:22,580 --> 02:19:20,160
into the environment for the entity and

3098
02:19:24,589 --> 02:19:22,590
yourself to possibly take advantage of

3099
02:19:26,179 --> 02:19:24,599
such as some of these things like the

3100
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:26,189
shack and

3101
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:29,050
the Ovilus in the Ghost Box in the

3102
02:19:37,009 --> 02:19:32,800
Franks box and the XP and and all the

3103
02:19:38,480 --> 02:19:37,019
different types of ITC equipment

3104
02:19:42,089 --> 02:19:38,490
instrumental transcommunication

3105
02:19:44,459 --> 02:19:42,099
equipment being developed I also would

3106
02:19:46,889 --> 02:19:44,469
see though is because of these TV shows

3107
02:19:49,469 --> 02:19:46,899
you have lots of just regular people

3108
02:19:51,570 --> 02:19:49,479
with no skills at investigating anything

3109
02:19:53,700 --> 02:19:51,580
just buying up the equipment and then

3110
02:19:55,620 --> 02:19:53,710
running out there and trying to capture

3111
02:19:58,380 --> 02:19:55,630
something yeah you get a lot of people

3112
02:20:00,030 --> 02:19:58,390
buying Porsches for Chicago too you know

3113
02:20:01,980 --> 02:20:00,040
where you can't open them up and riding

3114
02:20:03,570 --> 02:20:01,990
on the roads I mean it's like you know

3115
02:20:05,550 --> 02:20:03,580
why would anyone spend the money on this

3116
02:20:07,950 --> 02:20:05,560
really expensive car it was meant for a

3117
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:07,960
flat track you know 25 miles long

3118
02:20:13,350 --> 02:20:10,810
isn't that better 95% of the owners of

3119
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:13,360
those vehicles though that's true I mean

3120
02:20:16,860 --> 02:20:15,490
so you gotta wonder where people spend

3121
02:20:20,610 --> 02:20:16,870
their money in their motivation behind

3122
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:20,620
doing it sometimes you know so I try not

3123
02:20:24,810 --> 02:20:23,290
make any kind of judgment on whether or

3124
02:20:28,020 --> 02:20:24,820
not they go out there and buy all the

3125
02:20:30,840 --> 02:20:28,030
latest ghost hunting gear and there are

3126
02:20:33,750 --> 02:20:30,850
active plasm condensers or whatever and

3127
02:20:35,880 --> 02:20:33,760
go running it around you know my hopes

3128
02:20:37,980 --> 02:20:35,890
would be that they'd be interested

3129
02:20:39,540 --> 02:20:37,990
enough or inquisitive enough that they

3130
02:20:42,270 --> 02:20:39,550
try and learn something about what makes

3131
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:42,280
them work or supposed to work or some of

3132
02:20:48,719 --> 02:20:43,930
the theories behind what they're looking

3133
02:20:49,860 --> 02:20:48,729
to to gather from the research at least

3134
02:20:51,570 --> 02:20:49,870
learn how to use it

3135
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:51,580
oh yeah well somebody asked me just the

3136
02:20:56,100 --> 02:20:54,250
other day on a radio show they asked me

3137
02:20:58,860 --> 02:20:56,110
what I thought the most important piece

3138
02:21:01,920 --> 02:20:58,870
of equipment for recording EVPs are free

3139
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:01,930
you know researching EVP was I said you

3140
02:21:05,969 --> 02:21:03,130
need to go out and get yourself a pair

3141
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:05,979
of good ears you know yeah you know and

3142
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:07,840
that's the matter it's it's a matter of

3143
02:21:12,980 --> 02:21:10,450
exercise your hearing I recommend people

3144
02:21:14,969 --> 02:21:12,990
listening to electronic rather

3145
02:21:17,910 --> 02:21:14,979
experimental music because of the range

3146
02:21:21,380 --> 02:21:17,920
of frequencies that's typically used in

3147
02:21:24,840 --> 02:21:21,390
experimental music electronic music

3148
02:21:26,639 --> 02:21:24,850
different types of frequency based music

3149
02:21:29,550 --> 02:21:26,649
different types of frequency based sound

3150
02:21:31,260 --> 02:21:29,560
that that really a Tunes your ear

3151
02:21:33,810 --> 02:21:31,270
because the hearing is this like a

3152
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:33,820
muscle like any other you can really

3153
02:21:36,860 --> 02:21:35,680
attune your hearing you can exercise

3154
02:21:39,380 --> 02:21:36,870
your hearing

3155
02:21:42,290 --> 02:21:39,390
you can exercise your concentration on

3156
02:21:44,210 --> 02:21:42,300
what you're listening to go out and get

3157
02:21:47,210 --> 02:21:44,220
a good pair of yours yeah and that's

3158
02:21:49,490 --> 02:21:47,220
really the the the best piece of

3159
02:21:50,990 --> 02:21:49,500
equipment you can get you know it

3160
02:21:53,301 --> 02:21:51,000
doesn't matter what you record on it

3161
02:21:55,070 --> 02:21:53,311
doesn't matter what additional equipment

3162
02:21:57,470 --> 02:21:55,080
you bring into it if you only have the

3163
02:21:59,450 --> 02:21:57,480
attention to listen to it if you don't

3164
02:22:01,551 --> 02:21:59,460
have the ear develop for you're not

3165
02:22:02,930 --> 02:22:01,561
gonna capture anything I just know

3166
02:22:04,970 --> 02:22:02,940
you're going to have opinions about

3167
02:22:06,591 --> 02:22:04,980
what's happened so far on this episode

3168
02:22:09,591 --> 02:22:06,601
especially about those snippets we

3169
02:22:11,720 --> 02:22:09,601
played of those so called EVP recordings

3170
02:22:14,060 --> 02:22:11,730
you can post your reactions and our

3171
02:22:17,360 --> 02:22:14,070
forms for empower cast com

3172
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:17,370
that's for America's comm of course

3173
02:22:22,070 --> 02:22:19,290
first you have to sign up you have to

3174
02:22:24,290 --> 02:22:22,080
give yourself a username and then you're

3175
02:22:27,200 --> 02:22:24,300
ready to roll we'll have another session

3176
02:22:29,150 --> 02:22:27,210
with michael esposito on EVP

3177
02:22:31,220 --> 02:22:29,160
investigations in a moment

3178
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:31,230
Chris O'Brien's the co-host I'm gene

3179
02:22:42,100 --> 02:22:39,330
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[Music]

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notice that time Chris O'Brien did it

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straight straight arrow the voice is not

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fading it's still here Chris O'Brien is

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guest Michael Esposito was talking about

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EVP I'm Jean Steinberg you're in the

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para cast is the final segment of the

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show so let's travel to this point in

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our reality which is okay we have this

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disparity evidence the strange sounds

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and I suppose to some extent they're as

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good as the person who records them

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because you could always say well it's

3299
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all fakery so how do you get beyond it's

3300
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all fakery it's all audio tricks you're

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an audio engineer you can make anything

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happen in the studio how do you prove

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them otherwise again one of the things

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that I used to do quite often was when

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I'd be in an investigation or experiment

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filming it we've got great abilities to

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film while we're doing and film the

3308
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actual environment I've also got I've

3309
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made use of audio CSI gear if you will

3310
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what is the different programs and stuff

3311
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to actually match up vocal patterns and

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things like that for the FBI and stuff

3313
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like that it comes right down to it it

3314
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depends on the researcher I mean if

3315
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:50,050
there's a way of faking anything if

3316
02:28:55,380 --> 02:28:53,050
you're going to fake and if the

3317
02:28:57,240 --> 02:28:55,390
researchers ethics are to the point

3318
02:28:59,889 --> 02:28:57,250
where they're going to damage the

3319
02:29:06,099 --> 02:28:59,899
research and the work that we're doing

3320
02:29:07,989 --> 02:29:06,109
they want to fake EVPs or even take EVPs

3321
02:29:11,380 --> 02:29:07,999
from other places and claim their for

3322
02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:11,390
him or whatever I've had that I've run

3323
02:29:17,019 --> 02:29:14,329
across that where they someone took EVPs

3324
02:29:19,569 --> 02:29:17,029
off of a website split them up and

3325
02:29:22,239 --> 02:29:19,579
claimed that they were captured a

3326
02:29:26,409 --> 02:29:22,249
different location things like that

3327
02:29:29,679 --> 02:29:26,419
really do hurt the research and it's

3328
02:29:32,260 --> 02:29:29,689
it's like any other field medicine law

3329
02:29:35,979 --> 02:29:32,270
whatever it's based on the moral fiber

3330
02:29:37,630 --> 02:29:35,989
of the investigator okay so now we go to

3331
02:29:40,139 --> 02:29:37,640
the skeptical community we go to

3332
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:40,149
traditional scientific community and

3333
02:29:46,239 --> 02:29:43,130
what do we tell them what do we say

3334
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:46,249
we've learned so far since the first EVP

3335
02:29:51,729 --> 02:29:48,560
recording was made with that Edison

3336
02:29:54,819 --> 02:29:51,739
cylinder well I suppose we could tell

3337
02:29:56,679 --> 02:29:54,829
them that we've got more questions than

3338
02:30:00,460 --> 02:29:56,689
we started out with which should say

3339
02:30:02,260 --> 02:30:00,470
something on its own because I think

3340
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:02,270
it's like the ever revealing science of

3341
02:30:07,960 --> 02:30:04,640
God where science wanted to prove that

3342
02:30:12,870 --> 02:30:07,970
God didn't exist and in doing so came to

3343
02:30:15,309 --> 02:30:12,880
the conclusion that God had to exist so

3344
02:30:17,229 --> 02:30:15,319
the more we delve into this more

3345
02:30:18,880 --> 02:30:17,239
questions that we're coming up with and

3346
02:30:21,609 --> 02:30:18,890
the fact that we've got more questions

3347
02:30:25,380 --> 02:30:21,619
than ever before should prove the valid

3348
02:30:28,239 --> 02:30:25,390
validity of his existence as a subject

3349
02:30:31,630 --> 02:30:28,249
as far as the skeptical or critical

3350
02:30:33,370 --> 02:30:31,640
community keep up the good work we need

3351
02:30:36,370 --> 02:30:33,380
to be kept on our toes and we need the

3352
02:30:37,779 --> 02:30:36,380
additional brain power we need to be

3353
02:30:41,219 --> 02:30:37,789
thinking about the things that they're

3354
02:30:44,229 --> 02:30:41,229
thinking about audio rorschach trickery

3355
02:30:46,870 --> 02:30:44,239
radio waves you know all the critical

3356
02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:46,880
responses all the critical reviews means

3357
02:30:52,719 --> 02:30:50,329
so much to me because they expand my

3358
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:52,729
world in places that I may not have gone

3359
02:30:57,639 --> 02:30:55,850
being a believer good answer like that

3360
02:31:00,760 --> 02:30:57,649
it's always good to be open-minded and

3361
02:31:03,309 --> 02:31:00,770
forward-looking and in taking I think

3362
02:31:04,870 --> 02:31:03,319
some of our skeptics out there actually

3363
02:31:06,699 --> 02:31:04,880
come up with great questions on the

3364
02:31:09,010 --> 02:31:06,709
podcast forum we have several skeptics

3365
02:31:10,599 --> 02:31:09,020
that always keep me thinking and always

3366
02:31:11,711 --> 02:31:10,609
keep me kind of scratching my head going

3367
02:31:13,301 --> 02:31:11,721
well why didn't I think

3368
02:31:15,970 --> 02:31:13,311
that so that's that's a very good answer

3369
02:31:18,401 --> 02:31:15,980
Michael and I really admire the amount

3370
02:31:21,730 --> 02:31:18,411
of effort and energy and time that you

3371
02:31:24,191 --> 02:31:21,740
put into into this whole realm of

3372
02:31:26,531 --> 02:31:24,201
exploration and you know I think it's

3373
02:31:28,541 --> 02:31:26,541
people like you really that that helped

3374
02:31:31,151 --> 02:31:28,551
move proto scientific fields like the

3375
02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:31,161
science of EBP forward and it's really

3376
02:31:34,810 --> 02:31:32,690
good to know that there are folks like

3377
02:31:36,331 --> 02:31:34,820
you out there and again you know it was

3378
02:31:38,411 --> 02:31:36,341
great for you to be on the show what

3379
02:31:39,730 --> 02:31:38,421
what other things you have in the

3380
02:31:42,251 --> 02:31:39,740
pipeline right now do you have any

3381
02:31:43,991 --> 02:31:42,261
investigations coming up ok I just spoke

3382
02:31:47,291 --> 02:31:44,001
at the University of Illinois in Chicago

3383
02:31:52,781 --> 02:31:47,301
on it was a class on memory and

3384
02:31:54,821 --> 02:31:52,791
remembrance got a concert coming up in

3385
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Mexico City with Mickey Van Hospital

3386
02:32:01,060 --> 02:31:58,211
based on compositions with EVP in and

3387
02:32:02,051 --> 02:32:01,070
October 28 you mean you're making music

3388
02:32:05,430 --> 02:32:02,061
out of this

3389
02:32:09,761 --> 02:32:05,440
yeah I actually if you go to discogs ww

3390
02:32:11,980 --> 02:32:09,771
discogs d.i.s.c.o GS com type in my name

3391
02:32:15,371 --> 02:32:11,990
and you can find compositions what I do

3392
02:32:17,861 --> 02:32:15,381
is I record the structure itself we

3393
02:32:20,020 --> 02:32:17,871
didn't get into the whole residual EVP

3394
02:32:22,031 --> 02:32:20,030
thing but I record the atmosphere I

3395
02:32:24,791 --> 02:32:22,041
record for EVPs that I record the actual

3396
02:32:26,861 --> 02:32:24,801
walls the floors the windows the actual

3397
02:32:28,451 --> 02:32:26,871
structure itself and then break them

3398
02:32:31,501 --> 02:32:28,461
apart and build them into a composition

3399
02:32:34,991 --> 02:32:31,511
that acts is not just an entertaining

3400
02:32:37,861 --> 02:32:35,001
experimental music piece but also as a

3401
02:32:41,081 --> 02:32:37,871
scientific document sort of an audio

3402
02:32:43,781 --> 02:32:41,091
archeological picture of the environment

3403
02:32:46,121 --> 02:32:43,791
that I captured the EVP phenomena in I

3404
02:32:50,671 --> 02:32:46,131
have like I'm a little music kind of

3405
02:32:56,651 --> 02:32:54,461
electronic feel to it it's filled with

3406
02:33:00,220 --> 02:32:56,661
it's a combination of field recording

3407
02:33:03,761 --> 02:33:00,230
and ambient type of experimental music

3408
02:33:06,251 --> 02:33:03,771
so it's really interesting stuff yeah I

3409
02:33:08,140 --> 02:33:06,261
have to put out on iTunes album out of

3410
02:33:10,451 --> 02:33:08,150
that let me ask you because we only have

3411
02:33:13,991 --> 02:33:10,461
a couple of minutes left where do we go

3412
02:33:16,301 --> 02:33:14,001
with the research from here on what is

3413
02:33:19,031 --> 02:33:16,311
the end game what do we have to do to

3414
02:33:22,511 --> 02:33:19,041
prove that this stuff is real and what

3415
02:33:23,820 --> 02:33:22,521
the cause might be endgame that's an

3416
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:23,830
interesting question

3417
02:33:30,030 --> 02:33:25,690
I don't think they'll be an endgame in

3418
02:33:32,520 --> 02:33:30,040
our in our lifetime my goal in my work

3419
02:33:36,030 --> 02:33:32,530
in my research is to simply collect and

3420
02:33:40,140 --> 02:33:36,040
present evidence in a clear and honest

3421
02:33:42,780 --> 02:33:40,150
form that maybe someday a researcher or

3422
02:33:45,330 --> 02:33:42,790
scientists generations down the road

3423
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:45,340
would call them physics I've gone even

3424
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:47,290
further than they are now we'll be able

3425
02:33:52,830 --> 02:33:50,890
to use you to come up with with some of

3426
02:33:57,450 --> 02:33:52,840
hardy answers to some of the questions

3427
02:33:59,820 --> 02:33:57,460
we have about our own immortality can we

3428
02:34:03,320 --> 02:33:59,830
tie in EVP phenomena to any other

3429
02:34:05,700 --> 02:34:03,330
so-called paranormal events visual

3430
02:34:07,290 --> 02:34:05,710
manifestations I mean I I'm not sure I

3431
02:34:09,570 --> 02:34:07,300
understand the question tie it in how

3432
02:34:11,490 --> 02:34:09,580
well I'm just thinking in terms of

3433
02:34:14,700 --> 02:34:11,500
anything in terms of people who see

3434
02:34:17,160 --> 02:34:14,710
ghosts in a haunted house things like

3435
02:34:19,620 --> 02:34:17,170
that poltergeist phenomena well there

3436
02:34:22,920 --> 02:34:19,630
are people that are considered audio

3437
02:34:25,890 --> 02:34:22,930
clairvoyant where they actually hear

3438
02:34:28,170 --> 02:34:25,900
voices of the dead on a real-time phase

3439
02:34:30,301 --> 02:34:28,180
the basis but I like to work with

3440
02:34:33,240 --> 02:34:30,311
psychics because I like to capture

3441
02:34:35,490 --> 02:34:33,250
voices that confirm that the psychics

3442
02:34:39,840 --> 02:34:35,500
are actually talking to people the dead

3443
02:34:43,290 --> 02:34:39,850
in other words for example with Robbie

3444
02:34:45,810 --> 02:34:43,300
Thomas he was in dead whisper he was

3445
02:34:47,970 --> 02:34:45,820
talking to a boy and he says what's your

3446
02:34:50,580 --> 02:34:47,980
favorite time of year and then he has a

3447
02:34:52,890 --> 02:34:50,590
space then he says Christmas well the

3448
02:34:56,160 --> 02:34:52,900
EVP we caught in between the two

3449
02:34:58,910 --> 02:34:56,170
comments was a voice saying Christmas

3450
02:35:02,790 --> 02:34:58,920
which indicates that he actually heard

3451
02:35:05,820 --> 02:35:02,800
the entities say Christmas yeah or

3452
02:35:07,890 --> 02:35:05,830
provoked a provoked a pre pre cognizant

3453
02:35:10,830 --> 02:35:07,900
response right exactly

3454
02:35:14,220 --> 02:35:10,840
you know so so this the connection there

3455
02:35:19,040 --> 02:35:14,230
between you know psychic mediums and and

3456
02:35:21,620 --> 02:35:19,050
EVP EVP is a highly interdisciplinary

3457
02:35:26,790 --> 02:35:21,630
research field it borrows from

3458
02:35:31,980 --> 02:35:26,800
everything from communication to quantum

3459
02:35:35,430 --> 02:35:31,990
physics and and history and and music

3460
02:35:37,620 --> 02:35:35,440
and so many different disciplines that

3461
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it allows us

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broaden our research field to a lot

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broader areas than any other any other

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type of research I'll tell you what

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we're just about out of time Michael

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tell our listeners where they can find

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more of the things you do you have a

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website

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no no president but they can go to

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discogs again WWE GIS CEO GES calm and

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Google my name like Michael Esposito you

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in the discogs website you'll have all

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of my releases and my recordings

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including some research material all

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there that they can purchase or on CD

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baby there's that there is a iPod album

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called that John mowett lumbermill tests

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which is available for iTunes download

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so what can I say neighbors there you

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have it you have the audio clips we

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played each and every one that Michael

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Esposito gave us twice to give you a

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chance to review them you can listen to

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them over and over again and come to

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your own conclusions as far as I'm

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concerned they don't really sound like

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anything that came from out there

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another dimension another plane of

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existence or whatever you come to your

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own conclusions and let us know Chris

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O'Brien where do we find one of the

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things that you do our strange planet

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comm we live on a strange planet

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it's our strange planet and of course on

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the podcast form Michael Esposito

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co-host Chris O'Brien thank you both for

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making this a great experience on the

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[Music]

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yes tis a calculated presentation making

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impossible incorporated tune in next